Skyrim/minecraft HD texture packs, Dehr HD textures, metro 2033, crysis, etcDesaari said:
We already have mutiple games which, and here's the key, don't take their lead from consoles
New Console Generation Brings Fear
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We already have mutiple games which, and here's the key, don't take their lead from consoles
Yes I also find great satisfaction in this trend. As a 30 year old life long time gamer, I find this current 'hardcore' console generation (I don't play it a lot but I'm fine with my Wii) has left me alienated, but for the last couple of years Steam and the indy scene on PC has really started to bring me pick. Further more, I can't help but feel the main console crowd have become a bunch of self entitled little pricks, so there'll be some amount of satisfaction watching what happened to me happen to them.
Someone explain to me why we need a new console generation.
Ya know, besides greedy corporate bullshit
Ya know, besides greedy corporate bullshit
Doubtful, I have been gaming since the 80's and I do think there were some amazing games back then for historic reasons, but do I think taken out of context DOOM ise better than Serious Sam 3 or even Gears of War? Not really. I think some games like ME 3 could learn about endings from Star Ocean or Chrono Trigger; i also think SC II > SC and that PvP online is amazing so YMMV. And the best year of your life is always the current one IMO, past is only a memory and future is yet to happen so...Audacity said:
As for Morrowind VS Skyrim... well, first Skyrim >> Oblivion, i don't think anyone can argue there, but as for Morrowind, with both games from stock on day one it might be better (still doubtful, Morrowind combat was painful IMO), but with the current modded Skyrim VS Morrowind GOTY + mods that is simply not true for me, want epic fights? Install 1 mod, want massive battles based on the civil war? install a mod, want more magic based on crafting? amazing ambient sounds? interesting fauna over the land? ... you know what i am going to say.
Yep can't wait for the next console cycle. $80 games with 5 year dev times and digital distribution only so it takes me 3 days to download a 30gb game onto my console hard disk which fills up way too fast. Sprinkle all that with even more locked-away, on-disc, Day-1 DLC and we have a bright future to look forward to.
Take consolles out of the equation and a lot of the games you enjoy simply wouldnt get made.Matthew94 said:
The indie scene on PC is flourishing, let the consoles burn for all I care. Then all those delicious exclusives can be enjoyed by a greater audience and won't be held back by archaic hardware.
Indie market doesnt get that much press and considering most of it is absolute trash most people tend to not bother with it. It could have been great but is absolutely full of knock off versions of popular games and everythnig else is pretty much abysmal.elvor0 said:
This does sound stupid but no I dont because a pub/dev would never admit to a game being supported by sales on one platform. However I do think that, considering the sheer cost of games to make today, the PC alone could not support a large number of AAA and even some AA games. Whether you yourself specifically play those titles is ancillary as many PC gamers do. Therefore without the purchases on Console a PC title wouldnt be made because the game wouldnt exist or at least not nearly as much cash would be thrown at it. This is not to say the PC does not support games on its own, as it does with titles such as Tribes, im simply saying games we enjoy wouldnt be around, at least as good as they are and numerous as they are.Matthew94 said:Do you have any evidence to back up your point?ablac said:Take consolles out of the equation and a lot of the games you enjoy simply wouldnt get made.Matthew94 said:
The indie scene on PC is flourishing, let the consoles burn for all I care. Then all those delicious exclusives can be enjoyed by a greater audience and won't be held back by archaic hardware.
Grey Carter said:
Over the years there have been many articles and such talking about the game business in the interests of removing a lot of mystery from it. IGN, various magazines like game informer, and similar things. Back when we saw a coordinated price hike with the average price of games going from $50 to $60 there was a lot of talk and exposes involved in the pay people get.
I bring up things like the various toolboxes and such because there have been cases where articles and "whistleblowers" have gone off about that at great length, and even gone so far as to explain exactly why so many first and third person shooters play almost identically and things like the same system of cover based shooting recur indefinatly... it's from shared "insert your own skins and storyline" development frameworks that merely wind up being tweaked rather than the developers creating their own engines from scratch which used to be a far more common occurance.
I understand there are other opinions, and even damage control from the industry, I mean there are decent numbers of people now going off about cartel behavior, and sheer laziness in derivitive design, not to mention the pure greed that is destroying the entire process (ie when it goes from making a profit, to putting maximized profit ahead of everything else, including the integrity of the games and the medium itself).
Right now there is a dividing line between those who work for, or with the industry, and those who effectively turn on the industry or act as watchdogs on it. I can see how it's easy for a lot of people who know those in the industry who deal with them as individuals and tend to see a bunch of nice guys (or at least positive professional aquaintences) to have that color their opinions.
Do some searches for things like "the truth behind Starcraft 2's 14 year dev cycle" or "why Final Fantasy VII really couldn't be remade today" and you'll find some pretty shocking counterpoints if those articles are still up, and really there are tons of similar ones.
I understand why you think what you do, I just happen to disagree with it, as I am siding with other sources that seem to make considerably more sense and better match what we're going on. It's a position I've held for a long time now based on what I've run into.
Fundementally what graphics technology means is that you have a better set of tools to build with, and typically the process becomes more streamlined with each iteration. This is why it was a big deal when the toolbox for creating stuff for the "PS3" was such a huge mess, as it was hard to work with where the PS-2 and 360 were compsritively easy to work with (in a general sense, not just graphics). You can for example show the picture your "drawing" in higher resolution, work with more colors, or expand it in three dimensions to include a shadow following on the ground or whatever. Games generally stick to the same development cycles where people actually work on them, 2-4 years in many cases though some are still going to be popped out every year, in the end it comes down to the guys doing the games deciding they want increasingly larger amounts of money, and publishers paying that to the devs which in turn leads to them needing to make more money, especially as they set increasing higher goals for the amount of profit they want to make on a title. Giving a guy a better paint brush doesn't mean it takes him longer to paint.
In short, while a lot of industry supporters don't like it, don't forget that IGN did run articles like "why game developrs drive Ferraris", which seemed to cause some blowback from the guys who support them as it was not a flattering picture of the game industry as a whole and it's "hand to mouth" claims, it did however happen to match what a lot of people had been saying for years and years.
I do agree that the rate I buy games and consoles has dropped at the same rate as companies have started adding all this nonsenseTanis said:
.it seems like they are their own worst enemies, frankly.
I might be mistaken but most people I interact with use the master race line as a joke.trollpwner said:
But I wouldn't be surprised if some people take it seriously.
Some people think Chuck Norris jokes are because he's cool, irony just doesn't pick up on some radars.
^Thank You.rapidoud said:
I don't care if a new Graphics Card came out today, i don't care if it will be obsolete in a month, and i don't care if anyone thinks consoles are holding back the PC community (Didums, get over it all of you!) All i care about is enjoying the games i buy! And ignoring the ones i don't have any interest in!
OT: Good, i'm glad, however i'm primarily an Xbox gamer and Microsoft have said there wont be a new Xbox any time soon...We will have to wait and see.
Hopefully the new gen will begin in a year or 2 ^^