Ninja Theory Defends Dante Redesign [UPDATED]

[tetron]

It's not that dante changed it's that he changed into a drag queen. They could have overhauled his look with some good taste and people would be fine with that I'm sure.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

" It seems that one of the new things that has inspired Dante's redesign is the recent reboot of the James Bond series."
-Yeah, and everybody just LOVED to see that Movie ...that's why it was a complete box-office Flop.
And calling something from 2006 a "recent reboot" just seems awkward :-/

You are talking about the same film as them, right? Casino Royale? It was a worldwide blockbuster. Lots of money. Where are you getting "flop"?

 

[Avarith]

Really, a look is a look and at the end of the trailer I saw no knife I saw a bad ass on a gargoyle smoking a cigarette and being a bad ass. As for his weapon it looks like it morphs, in one scene it is a spear then it becomes some sort of whip thing... honestly no comment but it might mean combat variation, maybe. So far he just seems like a bad ass who does not care about his own well being and wants to kick any ones ass in his way..... yeah so emo. /sarcasm

 

[Neferius]

You are talking about the same film as them, right? Casino Royale? It was a worldwide blockbuster. Lots of money. Where are you getting "flop"?

"Opening day estimates in the United States and Canada showed Casino Royale on top with $14,750,000, while opening weekend estimates showed it in second place with $40,600,000,[52] as well as earning another $42,000,000 internationally. Although Happy Feet won the overall weekend box office contest,[...]" ->Source:Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%282006_film%29#Box_office]
-Now, you just KNOW something is wrong when you're struggling for first-place with a Children's flick.
And get this:"Accounting for inflation, Casino Royale is currently the fifth most successful of all James Bond films, behind Thunderball, Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, and The Spy Who Loved Me." -that's pretty-much ALL of the major box-office Bond movies.
Now I don't know about you... but Personally I just couldn't stomach this new "James Blond" image the Studio imposed on it's audience in much the same way I can't stomach this "Emo-Dante" which Ninja-Theory is trying to shove down our Necks :-/

But then-again, if you're the kind of person that really enjoyed Hollywood's reboot of Spiderman, then you're probably gonna like this P.o.S. as well.

 

[Yopaz]

I don't mind the looks of Dante considering his hair and clothes, those fit a young version of the badass, but he looks a bit weak. I guess that would kinda fit, it depends a lot on what kind of background story we get. Still, the design of the character isn't really what makes the game good.
Their excuse is stupid though.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

You are talking about the same film as them, right? Casino Royale? It was a worldwide blockbuster. Lots of money. Where are you getting "flop"?

"Opening day estimates in the United States and Canada showed Casino Royale on top with $14,750,000, while opening weekend estimates showed it in second place with $40,600,000,[52] as well as earning another $42,000,000 internationally. Although Happy Feet won the overall weekend box office contest,[...]" ->Source:Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%282006_film%29#Box_office]
-Now, you just KNOW something is wrong when you're struggling for first-place with a Children's flick.
And get this:"Accounting for inflation, Casino Royale is currently the fifth most successful of all James Bond films, behind Thunderball, Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, and The Spy Who Loved Me." -that's pretty-much ALL of the major box-office Bond movies.
Now I don't know about you... but Personally I just couldn't stomach this new "James Blond" image the Studio imposed on it's audience in much the same way I can't stomach this "Emo-Dante" which Ninja-Theory is trying to shove down our Necks :-/

But then-again, if you're the kind of person that really enjoyed Hollywood's reboot of Spiderman, then you're probably gonna like this P.o.S. as well.

So making millions of dollars and marginally losing out to a film that was marketed at literally everyone is now the definition of flop? Fair enough.

Like it or not, the new James Bond image was entirely necassary. After the success of Jason Bourne, they had no chioce but ot reform him. The same old boring, unflappable Bond just wouldn't have cut it anymore. Personally, I loved Casino Royale and I think Craig pulled off the role better than any other actor has. The character was finally interesting.

And I actually did enjoy the latest Spiderman movies (not the third, that was actrocious). They seemed to realise that everything about Spiderman is completely fucking ridiculous and made the tone a little more lighthearted. Plus, the stunts were cool. And I don't like the Dante redesign, so I guess that's your entire argument gone up in smoke. Whoops.

 

[MarsProbe]

Well, that's interesting.

Design still looks crap though.

Of course, that's just my opinion.....

 

[Seneschal]

Ninja Theory lead designer for DmC on the original Dante design:

?But in terms of, ?Do I think it?s cool?? No, not at all. I think it?s caricatured and over-the-top and very ?Japanesey,? and for that absurd style it does that really well, but that?s not what I want.?

Yes, we obviously have someone who has the best interests of the franchise at the helm. Capcom really dropped the ball on this one.

 

[omega247]

I don't think the main problem people are having is the change itself. The issue is that the change looks fucking stupid.

Thank you.

At what point did we as Devil May Cry fans state that we want absolutely no change from game to game?

I concur with both these statements

 

[Thorvan]

So basically they're backsliding on their design, although not as shameless as Sucker Punch did?

And it's nonsense to basically say "times change, so that's why we changed everything". Saying Dante'd get laughed out of any bar outside Tokyo just isn't a good enough reason to change him. That was a total design wash in my eyes.

It's weird, when it comes to changing things, the Japanese don't get it. It's just one extreme to another, and they almost forgot why the die-hards in the west loved a character like Dante (aesthetically).

Either way when they said they wanted to make it more appealing to Westerners my heart sank, and now he almost looks like every other western protagonist.

The "laughed out of a bar" comment is just infuriating to me. Look, we know you're not going to do anything genuine with the whole "realistic" thing; this is Devil May Cry, not bloody Heavy Rain. The reason Dante was cool was not because he was realistic, it was because of excellent stylization. By doing this, you've not changed the character concept, you've taken the very soul out of the game.

Good fucking job.

 

[Precision Burrito]

Am I the only one who thinks the new jacket looks completely hideous?

Seriously, it's not hard to make him look: young, current, and poor as an irish potato farmer, while not making him look like a thrift store from the 70's puked on him.

use this

make it red, and make it look like it had the shit beaten out of it, put on on some hand sewn patches, throw a crappy hoodie underneath and we're golden.

 

[Nouw]

I agree, the Dante does look pretty cool but he looks a bit bulky in his upper body.

 

[Anchupom]

Still think white liberty spikes would look better.

 

[Precision Burrito]

Still think white liberty spikes would look better.

lol

 

[undeadbydawn]

"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out,"
on of my favourite comments in the review I read of Devil May Cry is 'he'd have to be completely *nails* to go out dressed like that.'
Part of Dante's cool is that he _can_ look completely rediculous and not give a shit, because he is utterly sick in a fight. The flowing red overcoat made for damned sweet prop because it literally followed him around like motion blur that didn't suck.

Besides all that, I kinda like the redesign. Almost makes me want to buy a PS3. Almost
ho hum.

 

[DanDeFool]

Why didn't they just go with something like Dante's alternate costume from DMC2?

http://www.gamersgallery.com/gallery/data/564/2567diesel_dante_outfit1.jpg

Okay, the zebra-pattern scarf is retarded, but other than that I think it works pretty well and better to look like a wannabe hard-edged biker guy than some kind of meth-addicted counterculture moron.

Or you could, you know, make him look like a normal guy. Jeans, button-down shirt and a wifebeater; I could go for that. Maybe even have him wearing business attire; have Dante as just trying to live a normal white-collar life when his demonic heritage catches up with him and he has to start kicking ass and chewing bubble gum (soon after realizing that he's all out of gum)?

 

[mr_rubino]

You are talking about the same film as them, right? Casino Royale? It was a worldwide blockbuster. Lots of money. Where are you getting "flop"?

"Opening day estimates in the United States and Canada showed Casino Royale on top with $14,750,000, while opening weekend estimates showed it in second place with $40,600,000,[52] as well as earning another $42,000,000 internationally. Although Happy Feet won the overall weekend box office contest,[...]" ->Source:Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%282006_film%29#Box_office]
-Now, you just KNOW something is wrong when you're struggling for first-place with a Children's flick.
And get this:"Accounting for inflation, Casino Royale is currently the fifth most successful of all James Bond films, behind Thunderball, Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, and The Spy Who Loved Me." -that's pretty-much ALL of the major box-office Bond movies.
Now I don't know about you... but Personally I just couldn't stomach this new "James Blond" image the Studio imposed on it's audience in much the same way I can't stomach this "Emo-Dante" which Ninja-Theory is trying to shove down our Necks :-/

But then-again, if you're the kind of person that really enjoyed Hollywood's reboot of Spiderman, then you're probably gonna like this P.o.S. as well.

Hm... The Craig-Not-Bond people used that silly Happy Feet argument and they were sufficiently laughed out the door of every message board they swarmed. I suppose you could be an adult and understand the difference between a G-rated family movie and a PG13-rated action movie in terms of how many people it can draw, and you could just abandon the silly "flop" non-argument which is unsupported by... well... reality, but that doesn't jive with your argument about why your VG-boyfriend's new hair color made you mad, now does it?

EDIT: Silly me, how could I miss this? Those 5 (out of 30 or so) movies you mentioned? All from the first 20 years or so of the franchise. And CR was right behind those in gross. Yeah, that's a hell of an argument for your side. Bwahahaha!

 

[mr_rubino]

Double post'd.

 

[TOGSolid]

"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out,"

Isn't this game supposed to be geared towards Western audiences? Who cares about Tokyo in that case?

Capcom USA's lead producer Alex Jones said that Capcom pushed the studio to do something different. He said that the early designs weren't all that different from the classic look,

Ninja Theory, I'm actually sorry I ragged on you. Capcom, I should have guessed you were to blame considering what is happening to Steel Battalion.

"When you see the Casino Royale remake," he said. "You see Bond before he's actually killed anyone, and it's a really traumatic event. He's rough-hewn, he's not polished or debonair, but you can see the essence of what that character will become. That's what we want to do with Dante. The core of him is there, it's just a rougher version. It's a becoming. He's not fully actualised."

I don't think the main problem people are having is the change itself. The issue is that the change looks fucking stupid.

Thank you.

At what point did we as Devil May Cry fans state that we want absolutely no change from game to game?

I concur with both these statements

Thirded.

 

[Graevan]

When I think of Dante I think of 4 things: White hair, dual pistols, sword, longcoat in that order. Based purely on initial images I don't like this rebooted Dante.
Put simply he's not Dante enough.