Ninja Theory Defends Dante Redesign [UPDATED]
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Look, I understand that it seems shallow of me too claim that I won't play the new DMC because Dante looks like an Emolicious mash up, So I wont say that. I will say however, that in my opinion, The new developer is making a mistake. The hair and "Emo" Look aside, Smoking? Really? Is Smoking still even Cool? I thought today's Youth moved on too Crack.
Okay, seriously, what is the deal with making Dante younger and younger in these games? DMC 3 was a fucking prequel and this one... What? Takes place before that too? Damn, what next? Toddler Dante battling gremlins?
*sigh* I am tired of watching Dante be reconned... Let's move forward again, that would be super.
*sigh* I am tired of watching Dante be reconned... Let's move forward again, that would be super.
If CR was behind those now ancient Bond movies when adjusted for inflation doesn't that mean that CR did notably worse than those now ancient movies? So what have you proved here? Your counter-argument is about as convincing as the argument that DMC did not need a reboot because the last game sold 2.5 million. The only problem with that argument is that DMC was released on three different platforms in relatively short order. (Two of the three were simultaneous.) If you look at the sales numbers in that context you see that sales were not so great at all.mr_rubino said:
You sir have made my day.NickCaligo42 said:
Hopefully Vergil will be back since it is a reboot. I was hoping for a part 5. Nero was my favorite character. I can't be the only one who thinks so.
Agreed. Nero wasn't a bad character. The only reason the fan-base didn't like him, in my opinion, was that he stole Dante's spotlight.shadow skill said:
I was hoping for a DMC 5 as well (followed by a 6 and maybe even a 7). I saw a lot of potential in the characters they had and even potential to tie up the loose ends at the end of 2.
Water under the bridge now. At least for this title. I expect that this'll be the next 2.
I think that the haircut is kind of dorky, but other than that it's awesome. Speaking of hair, hasn't anyone considered that he, I don't know, dyed it? What people tend to forget is that Dante is supposed to be either American or European. Think about it, if you showed up in high school with white hair, do you honestly believe that it would be considered cool? No, it wouldn't. You'd be made fun of constantly.
Right, so now trolling is a good design methodology? Did I miss that memo? Interestingly, I'm working on a story that is an alternate take on the Megaman games. I guess to design my characters I should focus on changing the originals in ways that would piss off the people who developed the games in the first place. Thanks for that bit of advice Capcom, I'm now ensured the support of the masses.
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Some arguments I see a lot of:
-It's only hair, quit whining.
Wrong, it's a different design methodology altogether, and even if I was okay with the hair, clothing, and body structure change, I want to know what the hell they did to his face, the structure is completely different.
-You've only seen the trailer, you don't know anything about the game.
We lack direct experience or video evidence of the gameplay, true. However, we have evidence of a disregard (if not outright disdain) for the previous design, BS justifications like this interview, and the fact that this is what they chose to show at TGS. You're supposed to put your best foot forward for reveals like this, and if this is their best foot, they're in trouble.
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If Ninja Theory could do one thing to restore any sort of credit to themselves, it would be to announce that despite "Westernizing" DMC, there will be no quick-time events. If I see one, even one button prompt appear on screen, I will never look at this game again. I will never support it, but neither will I bash it, it will fade into the ether. It will simply cease to exist. I have an inkling of another game that suffered the same fate, but I can't seem to recall...
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Some arguments I see a lot of:
-It's only hair, quit whining.
Wrong, it's a different design methodology altogether, and even if I was okay with the hair, clothing, and body structure change, I want to know what the hell they did to his face, the structure is completely different.
-You've only seen the trailer, you don't know anything about the game.
We lack direct experience or video evidence of the gameplay, true. However, we have evidence of a disregard (if not outright disdain) for the previous design, BS justifications like this interview, and the fact that this is what they chose to show at TGS. You're supposed to put your best foot forward for reveals like this, and if this is their best foot, they're in trouble.
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If Ninja Theory could do one thing to restore any sort of credit to themselves, it would be to announce that despite "Westernizing" DMC, there will be no quick-time events. If I see one, even one button prompt appear on screen, I will never look at this game again. I will never support it, but neither will I bash it, it will fade into the ether. It will simply cease to exist. I have an inkling of another game that suffered the same fate, but I can't seem to recall...
Also, always nice to hear a well thought out Therumancer post.Therumancer said:
I think it was more that Nero was too close in design to Dante. He wasn't sufficiently separated from Dante like how Virgil was. Virgil looked exactly like Dante but dressed and acted differently. Nero looked vaguely like Dante and dressed even more like Dante without actually being Dante. This sort of thing just doesn't work with people at large.Zeromaeus said:
I have trouble judging from a trailer alone, especially with no actual relation to the gameplay shown, so I'm not too adverse to the new look. Still, I can sympathize with those who are fans of Devil May Cry and are upset with the change. However, what I am more interested in is if they can pull off the actual gameplay not screw that up. Awful gameplay would ruin both sides' day.
I also hope that with the Daniel Craig idea in their minds that they don't make DMC into a Quantum of Solace.
[sub][sub]Damn I hated that movie...[/sub][/sub]Casino Royale was a pretty good movie from what I remember though.
I also hope that with the Daniel Craig idea in their minds that they don't make DMC into a Quantum of Solace.
[sub][sub]Damn I hated that movie...[/sub][/sub]Casino Royale was a pretty good movie from what I remember though.
Sounds good to me. I can handle artistic license, and if they can make the new look work for them, fine. However, I hope they have the common sense not to go changing too much, lest they alienate their own fanbase. Of course, judging by the course and tone of discussion as it stands right now, I'd say they might have to deal with that anyway. I'd hate to be them when the fan mail starts pouring in...then again, who knows? They might actually be onto something here. I guess it most depends on how they'll avoid making Dante look like a douche.OceanRunner said:
Out of curiosity, though...I wonder who the bad guy is going to be this time?
I may accept this as a redesign, and a reboot, but as an official origin story that supersedes DMC3?
Sir, you can kindly fuck off.
Sir, you can kindly fuck off.
Well, if their intent was to go with a more modern looking version of cool I fail to see why they went with a look that was cool a few years ago but isn't really cool anymore (from my view of pop culture anyway). From what I can tell, the overly thin emo chain smoker type is (thankfully) dying off by now.
I actually enjoyed the new gameplay that Nero brought. I found myself missing Nero's demon arm function while playing as Dante.quantumsoul said:
Regarding the new DMC, I'd rather they moved forward instead of doing another prequel. As others have said, DMC3 took care of the prequel. Really don't see the need for another one.
I also think that developers should realize that characters created with influences from a certain culture/audience can be memorable and likable without having complete redesigns done to appeal to another culture/audience. Case in point with the DMC series: the original design (done by a Japanese company) seems to be quite popular in the west. In my opinion, the original design seems more like something that would be created to appeal to a western audience than the new design. Seems in their attempt to redesign the character, Capcom's alienated fans from the same audience they're attempting to appeal to.
I have mixed feelings. I think a redesign is much better than a whiny, annoying clone (Nero). However, I don't even consider this canon for the series unless they do some really great storytelling.
But even I, a fan of the games since the first one, will admit the storytelling of the games has been pretty terrible. There's no continuity of story arches, plot devices, or even characters that interweave each game together more than a cameo (Phantom, Trish, etc.). I play them for 2 things: Dante and the combat. Both of which are pretty flawless in their awesomeness.
I don't hate the new Dante, I just don't consider him Dante. He is Raiden to Solid Snake, a bad imitator who has yet to prove himself. Honestly the biggest design flaw that glares out at me is the British flag on the sleeve of his jacket. I know Team Ninja is British, but Dante and his Capcom parents are not. Giving him a British flag patch makes no sense at all unless Dante spent some time in London or something.
EDIT: Nero is lame. I don't know how that is even debatable. He has overpowered 'moves' involving his Demon Arm functions which ruin the combat by giving a 'one button push execution' fuction, a non-existent backstory, an immature, disingenuous love for a cardboard cut-out woman, and a whiny personality. He pathetically tries to be as cool as Dante or Vergil and fails at imitating either.
But even I, a fan of the games since the first one, will admit the storytelling of the games has been pretty terrible. There's no continuity of story arches, plot devices, or even characters that interweave each game together more than a cameo (Phantom, Trish, etc.). I play them for 2 things: Dante and the combat. Both of which are pretty flawless in their awesomeness.
I don't hate the new Dante, I just don't consider him Dante. He is Raiden to Solid Snake, a bad imitator who has yet to prove himself. Honestly the biggest design flaw that glares out at me is the British flag on the sleeve of his jacket. I know Team Ninja is British, but Dante and his Capcom parents are not. Giving him a British flag patch makes no sense at all unless Dante spent some time in London or something.
EDIT: Nero is lame. I don't know how that is even debatable. He has overpowered 'moves' involving his Demon Arm functions which ruin the combat by giving a 'one button push execution' fuction, a non-existent backstory, an immature, disingenuous love for a cardboard cut-out woman, and a whiny personality. He pathetically tries to be as cool as Dante or Vergil and fails at imitating either.
As much as I don't mind rebooting the series, if they mess around with Vergil I won't be amused.
I'm going to have to stay away from DMC announcements from now on until I read its safe to look - if I see just one image of a "young" ruined Vergil I know it'll burn me.
I'm going to have to stay away from DMC announcements from now on until I read its safe to look - if I see just one image of a "young" ruined Vergil I know it'll burn me.