I understand. I have said before and will stress again that no one is invulnerable, and I am not holding you accountable for anything. Instead it is you who is doing that, through coming to terms with it. You are reckoning for your own sake. It makes me happy that you are because that means that you're healing any emotional harm that was caused. I commented because it is a revelation I made for myself about this type of subject. No one ever says we must respond to people we deem tedious or insulting, and there was never a rule that claimed that what people say about is us is a truth we must accept.A Username Not In Use said:I cannot understand the letting them insult me statement, maybe I did, but after eleven staight years of it, emotionally I was so broken that I just sat there and took it as I could not do anything else.
I have started to come to terms with my childhood, and while I am beginning to acsept what had happened.
'Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought, as defined in Common Law countries. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification'Cheeze_Pavilion said:No, he's equivocating on what the words 'murderer' and 'killer' mean. He's using them in one place to mean a person who commits an unjustified killing, and in another to mean a person who commits a justified killing--that's equivocating.Malignis said:You are making a straw man argument here, perhaps without meaning to. I believe what he means is that killing a killer (A killer being defined as someone or something that kills) does not make you any less of a killer yourself.
The word 'Utterly' does not excuse you of being a bigot against bigots. It doesn't mean 'oh, well if you have something to back it up you can ignore everything after the word 'utterly''. In fact obtaining justifications and rational arguments makes you more of a bigot, since you are trying to support your argument, everyone is a bigot, it's not a question of whether you are one, it's a question of whether you are one for better reasons then the person you are arguing with. I only laughed at the fact that people were making a fuss over information that wasn't accurate, and over a console that cannot formulate an opinion.But I'm not 'utterly intolerant' of his beliefs. I'm justifiably, rationally, and supportably intolerant--hence, not 'utterly'. See the difference? It's a huge one. You missed the function of the word 'utterly' in that definition.Here is the definition of a bigot:
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Being bigoted against bigots, DOES IN FACT MAKE YOU A BIGOT.
Isn't that the equal of saying that you're racist toward Nazis? Why do people feel the need to waste their lives arguing over the nuances of the English language.Skrapt said:Cheeze_Pavilion said:No, he's equivocating on what the words 'murderer' and 'killer' mean. He's using them in one place to mean a person who commits an unjustified killing, and in another to mean a person who commits a justified killing--that's equivocating.Malignis said:You are making a straw man argument here, perhaps without meaning to. I believe what he means is that killing a killer (A killer being defined as someone or something that kills) does not make you any less of a killer yourself.
'Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought, as defined in Common Law countries. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification'
Killing someone intentionally, if they are a murderer themselves or not, makes you a murderer. There is no justification for murder, and there is no excuse therefore my comment still stands.
The word 'Utterly' does not excuse you of being a bigot against bigots. It doesn't mean 'oh, well if you have something to back it up you can ignore everything after the word 'utterly''. In fact obtaining justifications and rational arguments makes you more of a bigot, since you are trying to support your argument, everyone is a bigot, it's not a question of whether you are one, it's a question of whether you are one for better reasons then the person you are arguing with. I only laughed at the fact that people were making a fuss over information that wasn't accurate, and over a console that cannot formulate an opinion.But I'm not 'utterly intolerant' of his beliefs. I'm justifiably, rationally, and supportably intolerant--hence, not 'utterly'. See the difference? It's a huge one. You missed the function of the word 'utterly' in that definition.Here is the definition of a bigot:
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Being bigoted against bigots, DOES IN FACT MAKE YOU A BIGOT.
Nazi's are not a race, they were a political party in GermanyMathew952 said:Isn't that the equal of saying that you're racist toward Nazis?
Just because intolerance is justified doesn't mean you aren't a bigot, are you actually listening to me at all? I've said 3 times now, it's not wrong being a bigot, it all depends on your reasons behind it. And using the outlaw argument is a little invalid, considering it doesn't exist in most modern societies, I don't care whether you feel someone hasn't lived up to their promise or 'contract', taking matters into your own hands and committing an equally reprehensible act, and saying afterward 'well he did it first' is no excuse.Cheeze_Pavilion said:Again--you've being sloppy with your words. Of course there's "no justification for murder"; that's like talking about a married bachelor.
However, you're wrong that there is no justification for killing a killer. Although we don't use it anymore, in older legal systems if you murdered someone, that could result in being declared an "outlaw," someone literally 'beyond the law' which meant that you could be killed by the murder victim's kinfolk, or sometimes by anyone in society.
We retain this concept of legal self-help. If it helps you understand, think of a contract where I fail to live up to my promise. That's a breach. Now under certain conditions, *you* can breach the contract in response too. However, even though we both breached the contract, only *I* failed to live up to the contact's terms.
breach=intolerant
failed to live up to the terms of the contract=bigot
See how your logic is flawed because you're conflating 'utter' intolerance with justified intolerance?
Just because you have evidence doesn't make intolerance excusable, it just shows how intolerant that you feel you need to gather information for your belief. Me not keeping concepts straight? I've said the same thing 3 times yet it can't seem to make it's way into your brain.No, but it excuses me of being intolerant of them, which means I'm not a bigot in the first place--you need to be less sloppy with your words. That's why you're so confused--you can't keep the concepts straight.
they never thought they were a race, they held an 'ideal' in their mind that every German should be blonde haired and blue eyed, which is considered trying to create a racial ideal. Yes it's possible to be racist against people who have committed grave acts against humanity. All I've been trying to say is it's possible for someone to be the same thing they are accusing their enemy of, it's only down to who has the better reasons.Well, they *thought* they were a race.