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Farseer Lolotea said:
And that worked for your physiology and situation as a whole. It doesn't necessarily follow that it would work (in the sense of "result in weight loss") for everyone.

And again: that's as much a matter of your individual physiology as anything else.
Which is precisely my point, following a fad diet based on pseudo-scientific botty-dribble is not going to help you lose weight in the long term.

And not only are weight-loss diets far more common, actively endorsed by the medical field, and sometimes actively conflated with just eating right (despite the fact that they're generally nutritionally imbalanced and, as a result, don't work as intended), but the fact remains that the focus on weight is a flaw in the system.
The medical authorities in Britain don't seem to do this quite as much, the emphasis has always been on things like '5 A Day' and having a nutritionally balanced diet than one which makes the weight peel off. But ITV and Channel 4 continuously put out documentaries and 'living' programs where they abuse fat people and make being overweight sound like a chronic disease. The closest thing to a balanced view is a programme called 'Supersize vs Superskinny' which, as grammatically infuriating as the title is, makes its point by switching the diets of an extremely fat person and an extremely thin person for a week to show them both how dysfunctional their eating habits are, then puts them on a more balanced program and applies all sorts of filters on the camera to make everyone look prettier.

"Ana" is a cutesy slang term for anorexia. Or, more often, for adopting behaviors consistent with anorexia in order to lose weight and/or stay at a size 2. That latter category like to berate people for "lack of willpower" if they eat anything.
This is telling of how intrinsically incorrect the western attitude to weight has become, when a serious psychological disorder like 'Anorexia' gets a pet-name. I have heard of pro-anorexia websites and I find the whole culture simply abhorrent. It devalues everything psychologists know about body dysmorphia and turns it into little more than a slight eccentricity (or even worse, a lifestyle choice). Would anyone call Psychosis or Paranoid Schizophrenia a lifestyle choice? It's like calling Schizophrenia 'unwelcome company'.

And that's the result of the focus on weight as the be-all and end-all of health. In this culture, "fat" never just means fat; it means the sins of sloth and gluttony. It means that you can attribute all sorts of bad habits and character flaws to a person, and your judgment is unlikely to be questioned. After all, if they're still fat, they must be doing it wrong somehow. (Replace the neutral pronouns with feminine ones, and our society gets even nastier.)

Ironically, it's probably made people both fatter and less healthy.
If western society is going to exist for much longer (and I get the terrifying feeling that it is), this sort of thing will need to be tackled. As is the case with homophobia and sexism, as soon as you stop caring about what other people think, they lose their power. If you choose to put in the effort and lose weight then it must be for your own sake, not that of anyone else. Some people will always presume that they know better than others, 'your taste in music is inferior', 'you shouldn't like that kind of film', 'your eating habits are wrong'. If more people kept their festering, malodorous mouths shut and worried about what is actually important then the world could be significantly improved.

But we have a long way to go before people are intelligent and wise enough on a significant scale for that to happen. Until then, the best thing that anyone can do is try to ignore the intrusive and obnoxious advertising war between unhealthy food and fad diets and have fruit and veg occasionally. Losing weight (or more specifically, 'being healthy') needn't be as hard as it is made out to be. I would like to see fewer people saying 'Carol Vorderman's wheat-free, meat-free, vegetable-free, sugar-free, additive-free, sense-free diet made me lose weight' and more people saying 'I lost weight'. Or, better still, 'I don't need to worry about my weight any more'. It's not being fat that causes the problem, it's absolving yourself of responsibility, both for gaining weight and losing it. That's what adds fuel to the fire.
 

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Xiroh86 said:
Do you think that people, or the country in general, discriminate against those who are "obese"?
I certainly hope so. (Well, no I don't, but I do think it's wrong to simply accept Obesity as being okay).


Obese people cost the NHS in the UK about as much as Smokers and Drinkers do [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8514091/Junk-food-Britain-costs-the-NHS-more-than-cigarettes-or-alcohol.html], with the key difference being that Smokers and Drinkers pay their own NHS bills with the massive amount of Tax they pay on their vices.


So, to that end - whilst I disagree with out and out discriminating against obese people, I do think that they should receive the same kind of health campaigns directed at them as Smokers constantly get. It's wrong to simply accept Obesity as being something we should all have to deal with.

I'm unsure how exactly we might go about fighting it, given the majority of jobs in the West involve sitting down, but certainly encouraging people to play sports/do some kind of phys at least three times a week is a start.

I did used to be an advocate of raising taxes on shit food, however someone in another thread pointed out to me that this would basically amount to a poor tax (given that most cheap food tends to be the bad, processed sort), so that isn't necessarily the answer...

Incidentally by the way, I literally only care about the obesity problem in the UK, because it directly effects a service which I plan on using at some point (The NHS) and I would like it to be in decent nick when I get there. In an ironic twist(given my bleeding heart socialist tendencies, and thus love of universal healthcare), were I not in a country with Universal Healthcare, I wouldn't care - people can be as fat as they want.

I'm a selfish bastard like that, I only care about your health as long as it effects the amount of tax I pay and what happens to it after I've paid it.
 

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Which is precisely my point, following a fad diet based on pseudo-scientific botty-dribble is not going to help you lose weight in the long term.
Except we're still focusing on weight loss here. Which is still at best useless, if not counterintuitive.

The medical authorities in Britain don't seem to do this quite as much, the emphasis has always been on things like '5 A Day' and having a nutritionally balanced diet than one which makes the weight peel off. But ITV and Channel 4 continuously put out documentaries and 'living' programs where they abuse fat people and make being overweight sound like a chronic disease. The closest thing to a balanced view is a programme called 'Supersize vs Superskinny' which, as grammatically infuriating as the title is, makes its point by switching the diets of an extremely fat person and an extremely thin person for a week to show them both how dysfunctional their eating habits are, then puts them on a more balanced program and applies all sorts of filters on the camera to make everyone look prettier.
The States are...yeah. The same thing cranked up to eleven.

This is telling of how intrinsically incorrect the western attitude to weight has become, when a serious psychological disorder like 'Anorexia' gets a pet-name. I have heard of pro-anorexia websites and I find the whole culture simply abhorrent. It devalues everything psychologists know about body dysmorphia and turns it into little more than a slight eccentricity (or even worse, a lifestyle choice). Would anyone call Psychosis or Paranoid Schizophrenia a lifestyle choice? It's like calling Schizophrenia 'unwelcome company'.
And the worst part of it is that they hijack legitimate eating-disorder support sites.

If western society is going to exist for much longer (and I get the terrifying feeling that it is), this sort of thing will need to be tackled. As is the case with homophobia and sexism, as soon as you stop caring about what other people think, they lose their power.
...no. You don't disempower bigotry by "not caring about it." If anything, that creates the illusion that it's acceptable.

If you choose to put in the effort and lose weight then it must be for your own sake, not that of anyone else. Some people will always presume that they know better than others, 'your taste in music is inferior', 'you shouldn't like that kind of film', 'your eating habits are wrong'. If more people kept their festering, malodorous mouths shut and worried about what is actually important then the world could be significantly improved.

But we have a long way to go before people are intelligent and wise enough on a significant scale for that to happen. Until then, the best thing that anyone can do is try to ignore the intrusive and obnoxious advertising war between unhealthy food and fad diets and have fruit and veg occasionally. Losing weight (or more specifically, 'being healthy') needn't be as hard as it is made out to be. I would like to see fewer people saying 'Carol Vorderman's wheat-free, meat-free, vegetable-free, sugar-free, additive-free, sense-free diet made me lose weight' and more people saying 'I lost weight'. Or, better still, 'I don't need to worry about my weight any more'. It's not being fat that causes the problem, it's absolving yourself of responsibility, both for gaining weight and losing it. That's what adds fuel to the fire.
But still: if we continue to operate off of the presumption that being fat at all is a health problem in and of itself--something "wrong" with you that needs to be changed--that's a flaw in the system. Like it or not, even if everyone was at the peak of health, some people would still be fat (to some degree or another). And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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Farseer Lolotea said:
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Well then please show me that facts about being overweight suddenly isn't unhealthy for you.
Suddenly, shmuddenly. And first, you've only got a problem with "extreme obesity," but now you're targeting everyone with a BMI over 25 (the definition of "overweight").

Ya know, besides high blood pressure, diabites, and higher risk of stroke or heart attack.
Read this and be enlightened [http://www.nutritionj.com/content/10/1/9]. Long story short: the modern medical field not only knows more than it wants us to know, but brushes aside facts that don't support their foregone conclusions.

And when it comes to the media and obesity?.... i'll agree with you there. I mean the American media is the only place that can say in the same sentence that the majority of poor families are overweight then turn right around and say that the poor families are starving in America. Didn't you just say they were overweight? Somehow they dont' see that though.
Yes, the stereotype of fat people is that they all overeat. Even if that were true to begin with, it wouldn't rule out various nutrient deficiencies. Capisce?

I'll have to read the link after I get off work. No, I was saying that you can't be starving if your overweight. It has nothing to do with nutrition.
 

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Farseer Lolotea said:
Except we're still focusing on weight loss here. Which is still at best useless, if not counterintuitive.
It's a problem that, while pre-existing to an extent, has spread outward from America and is now afflicting much of the rest of the world: the need for a simple explanation. We want a solution to our problem and we want it now and we don't want to have to think about it or admit our own responsibility. People will blame homosexuals for earthquakes and they will blame McDonald's for making them fat because they don't want to put any effort into trying to understand the real reasons.

The States are...yeah. The same thing cranked up to eleven.
This always seems to be the case. Not many Americans can see it, but your cultural and social attitudes seem very exaggerated to the rest of the world. I don't know why this is the case and it's certainly not an attack on your country, which has been an extraordinary force for good as well as ill in the world, but everything you do and say and are seems to be 'cranked up to eleven'.

You don't disempower bigotry by "not caring about it." If anything, that creates the illusion that it's acceptable.
I would argue that it creates the impression that it doesn't matter. It's like being caught in a spider's web, the more you struggle against it the more entangled you get and the higher your chances of being eaten, but with a cool head and a knife you can easily cut yourself free. And then (after washing it), you can cut yourself a slice of delicious cake and critics be damned.

But still: if we continue to operate off of the presumption that being fat at all is a health problem in and of itself--something "wrong" with you that needs to be changed--that's a flaw in the system. Like it or not, even if everyone was at the peak of health, some people would still be fat (to some degree or another). And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Historically, being overweight has been treated as a sign of wealth and affluence and jollity. The whole 'being fat is bad' thing is really very recent in the grand scheme of things and probably stems from the depression where it was a sign of greed and a refusal to spread what little wealth there was.

It really does take all sorts, we cannot hope to make every human being on the planet into a perfect adonis and there's very little reason to try. It's reached the point now for me that I will hesitate to go on a second date if the girl orders a salad for her main course in a feeble attempt to curry my favour(Heh, see what I did there? Oh I doth slay.)

Captcha: 'life's too short'. How appropriate.
 

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Look do I Discriminate against fat people kind of (if I see you working out and are one of those fat but strong people then no) as for dating I'm not a Greek God but I am Picky. I do belive that if your obese then you cannot were NO Fat Chicks.

I'm an american and I think instead of test scores we to graduate high school you have to ace that presidential fitness test (NO EXECPTIONS) we started to make exceptions then BAM obesity (if you have asthma you can still do other exercises if you forget your inhaler

can you be fat and still pass it sure are some people naturally big yes but we got some lazy people and im a moderate Darwinist both in the animal and social level
 

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NO ONE would choose to live like that. EVER. E. V. E. R. (snipped for length)
You, sir, are an amazingly clear-thinking individual and I agree wholeheartedly with all the points you make. It is a fallacy to believe that the "Drill Sargent" mentality works on addictive behaviour of any kind (and being exposed to a lot of research that focuses on addiction within the criminal system, I say this with some conviction).

Make no mistake, obesity comes from addiction and powerlessness. To treat it otherwise is never going to solve it.
 

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There's a larger lady and then there's FAT...

Fat chicks are ugly piggish gluttons... Their size is an indication of a personality that doesn't know when to stop... They're the ones that if you were eating in front of them their eyes would follow the food to your mouth like a dog watching a tennis ball.

Larger ladies just have a bigger build...

I say ladies but the same is true of men aswell.
 

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Being fat is one thing. I myself am (mildly) flabby. Being obese on the other hand is another matter entirely. Being so overweight that you can barely stand, can't sit in normal chairs, can't fit into reasonable spaces, and take the space of at least two people is...more than fat. It is a terrible and painful condition, but often one that people bring onto themselves WILLFULLY AND OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

Should airlines and other places like movie theaters or employers accommodate morbidly obese people? Yes. If they can. However, except in extreme (and Rare) cases where a physical condition is the cause of a persons obesity, they should receive no unreasonable special treatment. By unreasonable special treatment, I mean special treatment that is unreasonably expensive to others, time consuming to others, or aspects that are unreasonably disruptive to others

EDIT: it occurs to me now that this thread may be more about the cultural discrimination. If that is the case, then yes. Fat and Obese people are discriminated against greatly. The Fat kids at school are almost always the ones with the fewest friends. Media makes fun of celebrities that get fat, calls fat people ugly, and generally does the douchey stuff that media does.
It's stupid.
 

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How's that "judging" anyone? I mean, you don't "judge" the grass when you call it green, now do you?
I'm honestly not sure. I think it started happening when someone realized they didn't like an accurate description of themselves and started getting butt hurt about it. So when I call someone fat, I'm being a judgmental prick.

Maybe the grass would prefer to be called something more along the lines of a seafoam or perhaps a lime?

Although, considering the actual definition of "judging", it would be judging them. I'm making an objective determination that they are in deed, fat, by virtue of biological and evolutionary factors in relation to the rest of the human population. We don't call it a "healthy body weight" for nothing!
 

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Spineyguy said:
Discrimination against fat people is ridiculous, up to a point. I know several people who have been refused a job based on their weight and honestly it's sickening.

However, I can understand having a basic employee fitness standard if you are in a line of work where it matters, but desk-jobs do not require thin people. I can also understand why someone who is morbidly or dangerously obese might be refused work on account of their susceptibility to some illnesses.

Unfortunately, in the two or three cases I know about, it has purely been about aesthetics. Now, I know it's never overtly about weight, but when it's the only thing that separates you physically from someone less qualified and they get the job over you, it's pretty obvious.

My former boss once told me that she would rather have a thin person serving customers in her shop because 'it looks better'. Obviously I bit my tongue and didn't say anything, but it really rustled my jimmies.

Being overweight is a natural part of living in an affluent society, the difference here is that throughout history it has been considered a sign of wealth and good character, whereas these days it's associated with laziness and greed. What people may not be quite so considerate of is that excess weight is a common side-affect of having better things to do than run laps.

As with anything else, it comes down to moderation. Not everyone has to have the body of Adonis, but maintaining a weight that allows you to function well as a member of society and avoid an untimely death is probably a good idea.
I think I see your point, but I can also totally understand this former boss of yours. Look at it this way: she's running a restaurant, café or whatever it is. Let's say it's competing with a similar business next door, you need every advantage you can get. It's hard running a business and if having a more pretty or handsome girl/guy serving the customers will bring in some more people you can bet your ass they're gonna do it.

On another note, on the subject of not getting jobs because of fatness. I have a friend who is a chef, he is also a really big guy at least 140 kg. Working in a small and busy kitchen, having a larger guy can become something of an issue (something I've heard from co-workers of his). So in that case it wouldn't be weird for an employer to choose a smaller chef instead of the big one, to make it easier for the rest of the crew.

In Sweden we are pretty fit, but also health care is run by tax money. So when someone needs health care because of their lifestyle choices they become a burden to society, so I don't think it's unfair to say we have a responsibility to our fellow citizens to live healthy enough to avoid unnecessary medical treatments. As you so nicely put it: "it comes down to moderation."
 

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Mick Golden Blood said:
Of course we discriminate against obese people. Majority of reasons have already been stated.

So I have to ask, a sort of different question:

Is it ok for a man to discriminate against women for being fat? I.e. Doesn't find this girl attractive because of it, so he would never consider going on a date with here.

And vice versa.

(my own opinion says yes...)
I would hesitate to call that discrimination. Despite the old 'personality is what matters' phrase, you cannot start a romantic relationship with someone who you have no physical attraction to.

OT: Generally I'm sticking with the idea that there's a difference between disagreeing with someone's life choices and being a dick about it.

Essentially meaning - you shouldn't ridicule someone for being obese (as in, extremely overweight). That said, you are fully within your rights to disagree with the lifestyle that they are leading, in line with the other people here who have mentioned smoking or drinking.
 

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Why shouldn't you be allowed to discriminate against people that make poor choices? It may not be the nice thing to do, but it sure is fun!

But seriously, if some fatass walks into an elevator, compressing me and other normal people and just making everything nervous in general because the elevator creaked, I think I'm in the right to be angry. Or if I'm waiting in line while a fatcakes orders enough food to feed a starving African child for a year.

If it's a choice you make, you don't get to ***** about discrimination.
 

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Fat is a choice, choices have consequences. The consequences are not always justified, but it comes with the choice.
 

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Freechoice said:
Why shouldn't you be allowed to discriminate against people that make poor choices? It may not be the nice thing to do, but it sure is fun!

But seriously, if some fatass walks into an elevator, compressing me and other normal people and just making everything nervous in general because the elevator creaked, I think I'm in the right to be angry. Or if I'm waiting in line while a fatcakes orders enough food to feed a starving African child for a year.

If it's a choice you make, you don't get to ***** about discrimination.
For a lot of these people, they don't have a choice, as they are unable to find decent jobs (with the job marked being as low as it is) and are living off of welfare to survive. As such, they are unable to buy any food that's healthy for them (I'm not just talking about McDonalds, I'm also talking about any food with corn-based artificial sweetener, the most harmful, and most fattening, of which being High Fructose Corn Syrup [proven].)

And, as for your hateful comment, know that I once had a dream where I was ambushed by a bunch of Neo-Nazis, and came out of it practically unscathed, but with one of them... well, I'll leave that up to your imagination. Needless to say, I'm vehemently against discrimination, and am of the belief that everyone is equal and should be treated as such, and those who hate, discriminate, or use others for their own benefit should get a nice, large steel-toed boot up their rectums.

(I hope that this doesn't incur Moderator wrath. *sad face*)

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Cryo84R said:
Fat is a choice, choices have consequences. The consequences are not always justified, but it comes with the choice.
As I've stated before, for many it's a choice that's forced onto them.

I should probably take this opportunity to add in that, in some part, their weight might also be a side effect of depression, and knowing that they have that much extra weight puts them into an even further depressive state (believe me, I may not have been fat [just a bit overweight] but I know what it's like to be in a prolonged state of depression: you just don't feel you have the energy to do anything, including getting out of the house and walk.)
 

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No, I was saying that you can't be starving if your overweight. It has nothing to do with nutrition.
"Starving," for the most part, is media sensationalism. (But note "for the most part.") What they're usually talking about is malnutrition.

Spineyguy said:
It's a problem that, while pre-existing to an extent, has spread outward from America and is now afflicting much of the rest of the world: the need for a simple explanation. We want a solution to our problem and we want it now and we don't want to have to think about it or admit our own responsibility. People will blame homosexuals for earthquakes and they will blame McDonald's for making them fat because they don't want to put any effort into trying to understand the real reasons.
Pretty much. But what I'm getting at is that blaming various health problems on fat--considering that evidence indicating that it's more complicated than that is already quite easy to find--is more of the same.

This always seems to be the case. Not many Americans can see it, but your cultural and social attitudes seem very exaggerated to the rest of the world. I don't know why this is the case and it's certainly not an attack on your country, which has been an extraordinary force for good as well as ill in the world, but everything you do and say and are seems to be 'cranked up to eleven'.
Oh, no, I agree. I'm sure some jingoes will jump down my throat for this; but the U.S.A., to some degree, is the drunken frat boy of the post-industrial world.

I would argue that it creates the impression that it doesn't matter. It's like being caught in a spider's web, the more you struggle against it the more entangled you get and the higher your chances of being eaten, but with a cool head and a knife you can easily cut yourself free. And then (after washing it), you can cut yourself a slice of delicious cake and critics be damned.
If we're talking about body-policing specifically, maybe.

But if we're talking about bigotry as a whole? No offense, but your privilege is kind of showing there. Creating the impression that it doesn't matter still creates the impression that it's not unacceptable. Which then creates the impression that it is acceptable.

Historically, being overweight has been treated as a sign of wealth and affluence and jollity. The whole 'being fat is bad' thing is really very recent in the grand scheme of things and probably stems from the depression where it was a sign of greed and a refusal to spread what little wealth there was.
My husband had this whole theory about it, although he speculated that it started at the New Deal.

It really does take all sorts, we cannot hope to make every human being on the planet into a perfect adonis and there's very little reason to try. It's reached the point now for me that I will hesitate to go on a second date if the girl orders a salad for her main course in a feeble attempt to curry my favour(Heh, see what I did there? Oh I doth slay.)

Captcha: 'life's too short'. How appropriate.
Heh. But yeah, the whole "it takes all sorts" thing is what people tend to miss altogether.

Dascylus said:
There's a larger lady and then there's FAT...

Fat chicks are ugly piggish gluttons... Their size is an indication of a personality that doesn't know when to stop... They're the ones that if you were eating in front of them their eyes would follow the food to your mouth like a dog watching a tennis ball.

Larger ladies just have a bigger build...

I say ladies but the same is true of men aswell.
ITT: if you are above some arbitrarily-designated size limit, the fact that I find you repulsive is reason enough for me to pass judgment on your character and consider you somewhat subhuman. Especially if you're female.

Nokshor said:
I would hesitate to call that discrimination. Despite the old 'personality is what matters' phrase, you cannot start a romantic relationship with someone who you have no physical attraction to.

OT: Generally I'm sticking with the idea that there's a difference between disagreeing with someone's life choices and being a dick about it.

Essentially meaning - you shouldn't ridicule someone for being obese (as in, extremely overweight). That said, you are fully within your rights to disagree with the lifestyle that they are leading, in line with the other people here who have mentioned smoking or drinking.
No offense, but calling physical appearance a "lifestyle choice" is a considerable oversimplification (and presumptuous as hell). While this is an oversimplification in its own right, it's like presuming that anyone who's too skinny to be your type must have an eating disorder.
 

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(I hope that this doesn't incur Moderator wrath. *sad face*)
Why should it? You have an opinion that you elaborated upon without trying to be an asshole.

As for everything else, yeah, I saw videos about that in school. The problem with that argument is that it's "damned if you do" because treatment for diabetes and coronary disorders will inevitably outweigh the cost effectiveness of value meals at Micky D's. Really, it's just people's own ignorance that keeps them where they are. I've seen an assload of articles online that talk about how you can live healthily for cheap. My mom taught me to be the most cost-effective ************ there is. Besides, even if your argument is perfectly true, it doesn't apply to what I said because I parsed my opinion with "if it's a choice you make."

I imagined your Neo-Nazi dream and have come to the conclusion that you are unconsciously a Neo-Nazi. What else did you expect me to think if Neo-Nazis didn't kill you for being a hippy (kidding, kidding)?

I agree with you on treating everyone equally. I hate everyone. Equally. At least until I meet you. Then I can justify my hatred and make it unique.

I call it Tolerhation.
 

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Farseer Lolotea said:
Read this and be enlightened [http://www.nutritionj.com/content/10/1/9]. Long story short: the modern medical field not only knows more than it wants us to know, but brushes aside facts that don't support their foregone conclusions.
You can't just cite one doctor and call it science. This is easily the fifth time Dr. Bacon has been brought up, and that paper in particular. The last and most important part of the scientific method is peer review and reproduction. There are scientific studies out there that support almost everything, because of that nice little thing called bias that we all know about but it's not until a consensus is reached that it's said to stand up.

And before you come in with the response that you're citing her because she's not biased, she very likely is, probably trying to sell her book that she has http://www.amazon.com/Health-At-Every-Size-Surprising/dp/1935618253 and become popular by telling people they don't have to change to be healthy.

Funnily enough, the description on Amazon sounds more like a fad diet than anything I've seen in awhile:

"Fat isn?t the problem. Dieting is the problem. A society that rejects anyone whose body shape or size doesn?t match an impossible ideal is the problem. A medical establishment that equates ?thin? with ?healthy? is the problem.
The solution?

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