Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

sir.rutthed

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You know what? It may not be right to throw parties in the streets. But fuck it all to Hell, we need this. This bastard's been on the run from justice for nearly a decade, we're in the worst job market of our generation, our president is pretty well unliked here at home, and we're in debt up to our national eyeballs. I say fuck it all, we need a party and this is as good a justification as any. If it's disrespectful to the memory of a mass murderer and his followers, I way we flip them the bird as we raise our next beer. This is America, when have we ever been "reserved"?
 

FightThePower

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I think partying in the street over someone's death is too much, but I guess I can't really blame people for being happy over his death what with all the shit he's done.
 

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Astalano said:
zehydra said:
unless of course your Moral values say that it is moral to seek justice for crimes, which seems to hold true for a number of people.

I do agree with you though; clear cut moral values ARE necessary. I just don't believe that anyone has the right to dictate to another what those are. Everyone must figure their morals out themselves.
There are some moral tenets that simply do not and cannot change, such as not celebrating the end of a life.
I disagree. Some consider justice to be done here, which is reason enough to celebrate.
 

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TheRealCJ said:
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This is another time when America is acting like an spoiled 10 year old getting an ipad2 & rubbing it in all out faces. also, they finally killed him? so they finally decided to not bring him in alive & just killed him? FUCKING FINALLY.
Just ignore the celebrations if your disgusted by em.
I find that rather hard. See, I don't have any particular problems with the US that I don't have with any other country.

But I can't help but feel that for their international reputation, it's two steps forwards, one step back: They Elect a Black President, They spend most of the time being racist and provocative.

They finally take down a notorious international fuguitive, and then celebrate it like they just won the hosting rights for the Olympics.
I don't agree with the characterization of two steps forward one step back. Even if the celebrations are offensive (something I don't believe), from the news footage I saw of it last night, they looked pretty small scale. I think they're a blip on the radar compared to the overall achievement of taking down bin Laden.
 

wbarb1995

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Lem0nade Inlay said:
Totally agree.

I mean they have a right to be happy....but I don't think singing the national anthem on Ground Zero is appropriate somehow....
 

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Chelsea O said:
how many did you non-American users lose in the bombing of the trade center?
how can you tell us we have no right to celebrate the death of the one responsible?
Well if it makes you feel any better my sister wants to have a party and she's British.
Her husband was in Afghan for a long time. Personally I think 'celebrating' someones death is kind of creepy but thats just my opinion.
 

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Chelsea O said:
how many did you non-American users lose in the bombing of the trade center?
how can you tell us we have no right to celebrate the death of the one responsible?
Right, because non American users don't care for the victims of 9-11, they are just Americans after all, not as valueble as [insert nationality here] , we don't remember where we were when we heard the news of how we felt when the towers came down. Give me a break.
 

wbarb1995

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Lem0nade Inlay said:
Totally agree.

I mean they have a right to be happy....but I don't think singing the national anthem on Ground Zero is appropriate somehow....

I think its appropriate if you one of the people who lost a loved one during 9/11...
 

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Silentwindofdoom said:
Canid117 said:
Silentwindofdoom said:
Canid117 said:
A) Can we all jump off the bash America bandwagon please? As I recall my country never clubbed an aging Indian dude because we wanted him to pay extra for salt and we have never intentionally targeted civilians. A vast majority of civilian deaths in the war on terror were caused by terrorist and not coalition troops.

B) The United States has a congress composed of the house of representatives and a Senate. You might want to get your government institutions straight before hoping they get blown to hell.
The united states invaded Afghanistan and Iraq by choice, all the civilian deaths are on the heads of the united states government.
Yes lets ignore the guy who straps on the vest that has been loaded with Semtex and nails. Lets ignore the man in the cave with his own twisted vision of the Quran who tells him to push the button. And lets ignore everything other than the big country that everyone loves to hate. Everything is 100% the fault of the institution that I dislike for the sake of being edgy. That is totally fair.
Who is ignoring them? I'm sure not. I'm just saying that all the deaths resulting from the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq are the responsibility of the United States government.

I have no love for terrorists and Osama and his crew, but with a cost of thousands civilians dead to bring them to justice, this victory is hollow at best and not a victory at all at worst.
The man who pulls the trigger or pushes the button is the one to blame. Would you accuse a girl of encouraging her own rape if she were wearing a short skirt? If you wish to debate the merits of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions then you may do so but do so in a different thread. You hope for the destruction of the institutions of my government and accuse my country of genocide out of your own petty desire to feel morally superior. You sir are a disgusting individual.

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Canid117 said:
Actually Iran hates Al Qaueda almost as much as we do.
Talked to any Iranians recently?
Also is the celebration not understandable? The man was responsible for the first foreign attack on American soil in almost two hundred years and is the mastermind behind the deaths of over three thousand unsuspecting civilians. Sure a perfect person supposed to immediately forgive anyone anywhere ever no matter what they had done but no one is perfect and you guys might want to step off your high horses for a second and think about the positions of those you are so quick to dismiss.
First of all, I'm not saying I forgive him.
Secondly, I'd be a lot happier knowing that Al-Queda is dismantled rather than just removing a figurehead.
Thirdly, this is Harry Waizer's (An American) statement to the American people
Statement of Harry Waizer to the
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
March 31, 2003
Governor Kean, members of the Commission, thank you for asking me to speak before you today. My experience of 9/11differs from yours and that of the general public. As this nation and much of the world watched in shock and horror on 9/11, as events unfolded at the World Trade Center, at the Pentagon and in the air over the farmlands of Pennsylvania, I was otherwise engaged, battling for my life. If hearing my personal story can help this Commission fulfill its important task, I will gladly tell it.

On September 11, at approximately 8:46 in the morning, I was in an elevator, somewhere between the 78th and 101st floor, in tower 1 of the World Trade Center. I had left my wife, Karen, and our three children, Katie then age 13, Joshua age 12 and Jodi age 10 at about 7:15 that morning and was on my way to my offices on the 104th floor, where I was employed as Vice President and Tax Counsel in charge of national and international tax matters for Cantor Fitzgerald.

The elevator was ascending when, suddenly, I felt it rocked by an explosion, and then felt it plummeting. Orange, streaming sparks were apparent through the gaps in the doors at the sides of the elevator as the elevator scraped the walls of the shaft. The elevator burst into flame. I began to beat at the flames, burning my hands, arms and legs in the process. The flames went out, but I was hit in the face and neck by a separate fireball that came through the gap in the side of the elevator doors. The elevator came to a stop on the 78th floor, the doors opened, and I jumped out.

I began the long walk down 78 flights in the fire stairwell. I walked focused on my single mission; to get to the street and find an ambulance. I knew I was seriously hurt. The stairwell was filled with people calmly walking down, with no apparent sense of the magnitude of what had just occurred. I was shouting out to people in the stairwell, telling them I was burned, asking them to step aside so that I could get down more quickly. Faces turned toward me, sometimes with apparent annoyance at this intrusion on the orderly evacuation process. I saw the look on many of those faces turn to sympathy or horror as they saw me. At one point I noticed a large flap of skin hanging off my arm. I did not look any further.

Somewhere on the way down, I believe around the 50th floor, I met a man who appeared to be either a firefighter or Emergency Medical Technician walking up. He stopped, turned around, and walked in front of me, leading me down. We made it to the lobby and walked 2 blocks to find an empty ambulance, which took me to the Burn Center at New York Presbyterian Hospital. I stayed conscious only long enough to give them my name and my wife's phone number.

I have no memories after that until some 6 or 7 weeks later; I spent that period in a state of induced coma, but I can offer a second hand account of some of the more important personal events. I was triaged at the hospital, where they took my clothes, wallet, watch and glasses, none of which I ever saw again. They began to cut off my wedding band from my badly burned fingers, but a sympathetic nurse used an entire jar of lubricant to remove it intact and saved it for my wife. Karen has worn that ring on a chain around her neck since then, saving it for the day when I can wear it on my finger again.

As the world watched with horror as the events of that morning unfolded, Karen began receiving phone calls from friends and relatives. She tried to call me and then waited, with fading hope, for me to call her. Friends and family gathered at my home to offer her hope and, if the worst happened, comfort. My two older children, having heard of the attack called home and were allowed to come home. My 10 year old daughter remained in school, unaware. At 12:30 the nurse was finally able to call Karen, who took the call in our kitchen and passed the news on to the others that I was alive. Screams and tears of joy filled the room. But as one nightmare ended for her, another was to begin.

Karen had no idea how seriously I had been injured. She was unable to reach me at the hospital until almost 8 o'clock that evening. When Karen first saw me that night, I was not recognizable. My head was swollen almost to basketball size, the rest of my body had similarly swelled and my features were either covered by bandages or so blackened and distorted as to be unidentifiable. It was only the ring that gave her any comfort that the swollen, misshapen body lying in that hospital bed was in fact her husband. The doctors explained to Karen the nature and severity of my injuries. I was particularly at risk because the fireball in my face had seared my windpipe and lungs and I had inhaled a large amount of jet fuel, leaving me particularly prone to life threatening infections. I have since been told that my chances of survival at that moment were roughly five percent.

That night began a 7 week roller coaster ride for Karen, friends and family. I would appear to be recovering one day and be diagnosed with a highly dangerous infection the next. I underwent multiple surgeries to graft new skin on my hands, arms, face and neck, suffered a blood clot, a seizure, a partial lung collapse and a series of blood and lung infections. Karen's mother moved up from Delaware into our home to take care of our three children. Members of our local and synagogue communities delivered dinner to our home and drove our children to their various activities. Friends and family member accompanied Karen to the hospital every day. Mine was not just a personal struggle, it was shared by family and community.

After five months of hospitalization, multiple surgeries, a year and a half, and counting, of painful, sometimes grueling, therapy, I am here today to bear witness. My injuries have left me with lung damage, chronic pain in my right elbow, my left knee and my back, damage to my vocal cords and the prognosis for the nerve and tendon damage in my left hand is still uncertain. But I can enjoy various activities, play with my children, and enjoy my time spent with my wife, with friends and family. I am one of the handful of lucky ones. Just blocks away from here lay the unrecovered remains of many friends and colleagues, some dear friends. They can no longer speak for themselves and I am left with the unchosen, unhappy task of trying to speak for them. I do this with no particular moral authority, but neither I nor they have a choice.

I have no rage about what happened on 9/11, only a deep sadness for the many innocent, worthy lives lost and the loved ones who lost so much that day. There have always been madmen, perhaps there always will be. They must be stopped, but with the cold detachment reserved by a surgeon for removing a cancer. They are not worthy of my rage. Neither do I feel anger at those who arguably could have foreseen, and thereby prevented, the tragedies. If there were mistakes, they were the mistakes of complacency, a complacency in which we all shared.

This commission can not turn back the hands of time. There is nothing to be gained by asserting blame, by pointing fingers. The dead will remain dead despite this commission's best efforts and intentions. But it is my hope that this commission can learn and teach us from its scrutiny of the past, and if the findings of this commission can prevent even one future 9/11, if they can forestall even one plan of Osama bin Laden, prevent even one more act of madness and horror, I and the rest of this nation will owe the commission our gratitude, and I will be proud of the small part I was allowed to play today.

I do have one concern I would like to voice. I have no political experience, but I do have experience as an informed citizen. It tells me that commissions such as this are usually formed by men and women of good will, have committed, intelligent members and staff possessed of good will, and eventually produce reports that are read carefully and seriously by others of good will. Yet the findings of such commissions are often ignored in the end. Compassion and concern are often spread thin, and other important issues become priorities after the glare of the public spotlight fades. My fear is that the work of this commission will have a similar fate. My hope is that by speaking to you today, by putting a human face on the tragedy that was 9/11, by attempting to speak, however inadequately, for those who no longer have voices, I can help further the cause of this commission and this nation, to help build a safer, more secure tomorrow for all of us, and that doing so will help bring peace for us and our children.

Thank you.
He received critical burns and severe lung damage in the WTC attack. After five months of hospitalization, multiple surgeries, and over a year and a half of painful, sometimes grueling, therapy, his recovery continues to progress. His injuries have left him with chronic pain in his right elbow, left knee and back, and the prognosis for nerve and tendon damage in his left hand is still uncertain.
He still isn't celebrating.
Al Qaeda is intolerant of Shia Islam and Iran is overwhelmingly Shia. They do not like each other much.

To your second point. Al Qaeda as an organization has been mostly ineffective for a good while now. They have had too much heat on them for years to actually do anything and most of the terrorist activities carried out today are by organizations not affiliated with Al Qaeda or organizations inspired by Al Qaeda. Most of Al Qaeda's leadership is dead now and it supposedly consists of only a few hundred people who are hiding from strikes like the one that killed Bin Laden. Al Qaeda has been pretty thoroughly routed. It is the copy cats that have to be dealt with now and with their prime example having been handed so many defeats like this it might be harder for them to recruit new blood to pull the trigger.

As for your third point... good for him. He is truly an inspiring human being.
 

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Silentwindofdoom said:
Chelsea O said:
how many did you non-American users lose in the bombing of the trade center?
how can you tell us we have no right to celebrate the death of the one responsible?
Right, because non American users don't care for the victims of 9-11, they are just Americans after all, not as valueble as [insert nationality here] , we don't remember where we were when we heard the news of how we felt when the towers came down. Give me a break.
Yeah I was devastated it was horrific, I remember at the time thinking it was going to be world war 3.
 

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Silentwindofdoom said:
Chelsea O said:
how many did you non-American users lose in the bombing of the trade center?
how can you tell us we have no right to celebrate the death of the one responsible?
Right, because non American users don't care for the victims of 9-11, they are just Americans after all, not as valueble as [insert nationality here] , we don't remember where we were when we heard the news of how we felt when the towers came down. Give me a break.
that not what i was saying,how is it you can see there isn't the right to celebrate,thousands died cause of that man,his death is cause for celebration.
 

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I really don't think most were celebrating his death. Had he been captured, there would have been the same reaction as we saw last night.
 

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I'm afraid that a more peaceful world that's founded on a headshot and body dumped in the sea is gonna be shortlived, but I dont blame the US for killing him.
Seeing the celebrating people on tv, was disturbing to me, just like the muslims celebrating the attacks. It doesnt matter how many people where there, the image remains the same to the rest of the world. It wil instigate more hatred i'm afraid. Good news for Obama's position though.
 
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Oh dear god.

Not this again.

Human life is NOT SACRED! It's only as sacred as we declare it and humanity in general clearly does not care about it. When an evil person dies, it is a good thing and celebration is quite appropriate.

Now, on the other hand, I think the celebrations might be a little overblown as Osama hasn't really mattered for a long time now.

But that still doesn't change my original point. There is no reason not to celebrate human death.
 

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Wolfy2449 said:
I think everyone who hates Bin Laden is <censored because honest offensive opinion=trolling on escapist>
Ppl didnt even know they guy, they have no idea about his motives or why he did anything. Stupid hate for no real reason...
Only think i know is that he looked cool in his photo xD

Even if he did kill someone i cared about i wouldnt go mad, i would actually like to talk with him but this would be impossible so i would simply go on...Even if he response was "americans suck, they need to die herp derp" i would still not hate him since he would simply be stupid, which i doubt this is the case since doing big things actually requires some brains.
Crazy more than dumb, and your philosophy is essentially the correct one. Shame about the suspension.

MrDeckard said:
Oh dear god.

Not this again.

Human life is NOT SACRED! It's only as sacred as we declare it and humanity in general clearly does not care about it. When an evil person dies, it is a good thing and celebration is quite appropriate.
Leaving celebration aside, since the death of something sacred can easily be celebrated. How exactly do you presume to dictate the value of human life?

I am strongly irreverent and I still hold up life as the last sacred. It seems to me that humans, occupying what little of the universe we do, are exceedingly rare and special. Our brief lives have astronomical impact on the planet on which we live. The mere fact that we are able to think and have a conversation about high concepts such as the value of life is a testament to millions of years of evolution: all so the universe could provide itself with a few billion bags of meat to run around a planet telling themselves how "not sacred" they are.
 

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Lord Kloo said:
Well even if I was American and actually found it good that he was dead I certainly wouldn't be celebrating..

Terrorism will never die, as long as there's at least two factions on the planet there will always be 'terrorists'.. Especially now that Osama has been killed it could cause a new wave of attacks and recruitments.. America: Your war is far from over..

As for cellebrations I think its annoying that people consider this guy a terrorist who should die but their revolutionary ancestors are national heroes considering they're both the same, fighting for "their" freedom..
What exactly is the difference between terrorists and "terrorists"? And what acts of terrorism do you think the Americans in the revolutionary war committed? To be honest, I think that you're implying some stuff that is pretty hard to back up, historically.