Oslo Murders Lead to Calls For Game Bans in Australia
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To be fair, after being made to read that book in high school I felt like killing a few people... the author, my English teacher, the fucking idiot who sat behind me...Kair said:
Andy Chalk said:
Dude, seriously... Reporting what the ACL has to say on anything is only two steps above reporting what the Westboro Baptist Church has to say.
I'm surprised that the GOVERNMENT OF AUSTRALIA is defending the video games in this case...
Now THAT'S a twist.
Now THAT'S a twist.
Seems like he wants everyone to blame games quickly before people start trying to blame christianity.Andy Chalk said:
Somehow I find it disturbing that after every disaster everyone rushes to be the first to advance their own political agenda - regardless of what happened.
Every group calling for the ban of video games/guns/movies/religion/right wing politics/albino hamsters is busy screaming for attention, and get the attention in the form of opponents screaming even louder and pointing at something else.
I can't do much but pity the survivors and families of the victims - first they get involved in a blood bath, and then every jerk across the planet happily abuses them to further their own agendas.
Every group calling for the ban of video games/guns/movies/religion/right wing politics/albino hamsters is busy screaming for attention, and get the attention in the form of opponents screaming even louder and pointing at something else.
I can't do much but pity the survivors and families of the victims - first they get involved in a blood bath, and then every jerk across the planet happily abuses them to further their own agendas.
The flaw here is that even if games turned him in to a racist/phycotic crazyhead, that still wouldn't change the fact that 99,99 % of all gamers never have commited serious acts of violence.
No I say, enough with letting the few destroy for the many, enough with saying that things are "Dangerous to society" just becase they are en the hands of a mad man.
No I say, enough with letting the few destroy for the many, enough with saying that things are "Dangerous to society" just becase they are en the hands of a mad man.
Don't joke about Choco Krispies man.SoopaSte123 said:
That shit isn't funny they're evil I tell you, evil!!!
"The Australian Christian Lobby" that bit made me go wath the fuck cause the man who commited the mass murder is a committed christian and I bet that The Bibel played also a big part in his preparations. And also I have not reed The Bible all the way through but I can tell you that the body count in that book is a hell of a lot bigger then in any MW game.
There is hope after all. Good to hear about this though. Would have nightmares if I found out that they would ban violent video game in Ireland and England.Twilight.falls said:
He'd move back to Britain? He was born there after all. Aren't they still pretty cool with their game laws?The Virgo said:
OT: Seriously, others have undoubtedly said what I'm about to say. Neither games, nor movies, nor TV programs, nor books, nor any other conceivable form of entertainment media, causes these behaviors. These behaviors are caused by people having grudges against another group of people, nothing more, nothing less.
Does the WBC hate homosexuals because of their portrayal in TV or books? No, they hate them because they're intolerant idiots. Did Hitler hate Jews and the handicapped and all else because of the media? No, he hated them because he thought they caused Germany's economic disparity in the 1920s and 1930s, or because of his "master race" ideology. Granted, he did institute book burnings for books by Jewish authors and unaccepted scientists, but that came from his hatred, not from the medium's content itself.
My point is, games are games. They have basically been proven to not cause underlying thoughts of violence and carnage that one would want to act upon in real life, and we shouldn't think of them that way in the first place.
While they're wrong, I can see where the committee is coming from. I mean if the guy says that he used MW 2 as "training" and I already had a grudge against against video games this would be the time to call for a ban.
Why don't you try to not be an a-hole and have an actual discussion about a tragedy and these assumptions that are sprouting up because of it instead of making stupid quips? Don't be so disrespectful. Also that man is no Christian. A true Christian wouldn't do such stupid and heartless things.zabour said:
Huh.... rare for them to admit somthing like that, isn't it? I'm probably wrong in that respect.Andy Chalk said:
Its just the first time I've ever seen even one government person to admit that games might not be the main source of violence. It probably has happened before, but its the first time I've seen or heard about it.
Well viva Oz! Though asking that group if they had any ideas that didn't step on the liberties of citizens might be a good follow-up. 'Um, we'll get back to you on that,' would be the expected but better response than, 'no.' Setting yourself firm ideals is commendable, but not when those ideals are so closed minded you can't think of alternatives. I tire of these knee-jerk reactions that certain groups have to just 'make a law' or 'set a ban' to cure the problem.
Making more laws or setting more bans will only lead to more problems. Makes me wonder how many of these people in this Australian Christian Lobby spend real time with their children. I hope all of them but the cynic in me tells me that they just let the kids do what they want with less interaction than there should be as they are too busy lobbying for more 'family values' to spend time with their own family.
Truth be told, if there is one place that needs to look at a real gaming problem, it is China. But all they need to do to cure that is change governments.
We need to stop this attitude of just blindly cutting out things and instead make more effort to help people. How many people knew this guy was on the quick road to homicideville? It's possible not anybody, but quite likely someone knew. Ask yourself, would it have made a difference if that person tried to help the nutcase before he became so bad as to commit this tragedy? Most likely.
Cutting innocent people's freedoms because of homicidal criminals is not the answer. Taking the time to help people is. I am not sympathetic in the least to this guy. Better he gets the gas chamber as it is already too late. But I do wish something could have been done before he decided that bombing buildings and killing innocent children was the cure to his problems. Making more laws to ban things is not the solution.
That path only leads to militia groups and other organizations like the IRA.
Making more laws or setting more bans will only lead to more problems. Makes me wonder how many of these people in this Australian Christian Lobby spend real time with their children. I hope all of them but the cynic in me tells me that they just let the kids do what they want with less interaction than there should be as they are too busy lobbying for more 'family values' to spend time with their own family.
Coming? It's already here. Where have you been? It is because of sound minds like Federal Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor why anti-game zealots aren't getting their way. You can thank the US Supreme Court for having their heads on their shoulders over the recent California gaming legislation fiasco.Akytalusia said:
Truth be told, if there is one place that needs to look at a real gaming problem, it is China. But all they need to do to cure that is change governments.
Hipocrisy much? You say banning one thing won't stop the problem, but then you turn around and say let's ban something else. Governments start laying down bans, that will only lead to more violence. Only this time it will have a justification behind it as ordinary people will get pissed off. There is nothing even remotely religious behind this guy's motivations. He is a NUTJOB.Hypertion said:
We need to stop this attitude of just blindly cutting out things and instead make more effort to help people. How many people knew this guy was on the quick road to homicideville? It's possible not anybody, but quite likely someone knew. Ask yourself, would it have made a difference if that person tried to help the nutcase before he became so bad as to commit this tragedy? Most likely.
Cutting innocent people's freedoms because of homicidal criminals is not the answer. Taking the time to help people is. I am not sympathetic in the least to this guy. Better he gets the gas chamber as it is already too late. But I do wish something could have been done before he decided that bombing buildings and killing innocent children was the cure to his problems. Making more laws to ban things is not the solution.
That path only leads to militia groups and other organizations like the IRA.
Anybody who says they didn't needs to get out in the sun more. But I do chalk this up as a strong win in our favor. Australia has put its foot down on where it stands on this matter, and people are going to listen. I pity the first government that decides otherwise. I seriously hope there aren't any that do.Baneat said: