Overlord 2
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Yes, that is what the song is about. You may still be repressed; let me know how you unpack the band name "Pearl Jam", and we can work out what number of visits per week is optimal for me to milk your wallet.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
That was interesting and fun to read, guess this was just something he felt needed to be said. Would love to see more, but I guess this was just a single vent on an issue he had some repressed hate for.
Oh fair enough if its your opinion but its not right to claim and opinion as fact in general.MattKirby said:
The essay makes some good points about gameplay mechanics.
I'm currently playing Prototype and one of the central mechanics is devouring people. It's gruesome and nasty and why the fuck would I want to do that?
Because the game rewards you for doing so. Both in terms of story (which gets fleshed out depending on who you devour) and in terms of ability (you get cool bonuses for devouring certain people) and to replenish health.
I feel bad for the people I end up devouring-they're not strictly evil-but they ARE in my goddamn way, and in games what do you do to things or people who are in your way?
The story they give me is just enough for me to feel a bit of remorse about them, and that's the sign of a well executed mechanic, I think. YMMV.
So yeah; give us a reason to do things, and people will find reasons to do them--or fuck with things and that's OK too. But reasons matter.
I'm currently playing Prototype and one of the central mechanics is devouring people. It's gruesome and nasty and why the fuck would I want to do that?
Because the game rewards you for doing so. Both in terms of story (which gets fleshed out depending on who you devour) and in terms of ability (you get cool bonuses for devouring certain people) and to replenish health.
I feel bad for the people I end up devouring-they're not strictly evil-but they ARE in my goddamn way, and in games what do you do to things or people who are in your way?
The story they give me is just enough for me to feel a bit of remorse about them, and that's the sign of a well executed mechanic, I think. YMMV.
So yeah; give us a reason to do things, and people will find reasons to do them--or fuck with things and that's OK too. But reasons matter.
That gives me another reason to look foward to the weekends.Virgil said:
(From the article)
"So a romance sidequest works when there is some benefit to gameplay. That's the carrot. You can marry characters in most of the Harvest Moon games, and your spouse provides you with items or assists you with the farming."
This is the best reason I can think of for caring about NPC allys/friends in a game. Coincidentally I might check out a harvest moon game.
I only got engaged in Fable 2 because the Oakfield demon door wanted me to propose in front of it. ThenI led the lady to the Temple Of Shadows and got some evil points for her.
Like people said, we dont care about the minions we care about the gear.
I dont give a fuck when my blues, greens or red die. But when a Brown that I have had for ages and has full armor and a great weapon dies, i care about that.
For example, in Overlord 1, when you kill that fat halfling hero at the start. He drops a crown and a poker weapon. When my minion with the crown dies, i get a bit pissed off. I would gladly pay to get him back.
I dont give a fuck when my blues, greens or red die. But when a Brown that I have had for ages and has full armor and a great weapon dies, i care about that.
For example, in Overlord 1, when you kill that fat halfling hero at the start. He drops a crown and a poker weapon. When my minion with the crown dies, i get a bit pissed off. I would gladly pay to get him back.
Not that you ever read this, but good stuff Yahtzee. Requalifying part of your Ghostbusters review went a good way to me rethinking that video. And Pat Benatar could totally mean exactly that.
3D hentai? Blasphemy!Tuniki said:
I liked this new feature as this was actually an insightful view that would not translate well to a funny video. This is a problem quite a few games have. Why should I give a damn if someone supposedly important to the main character dies if I don't care about the main character.
One of the "casts" he was on? I'm not sure what that means. The second part of your post explains nothing to me. Who is Yahtzee talking about? All the characters? Because while some are smug and snarky, I'd find it hard to argue all of them are.imkerrusin said:
And I'm not exactly sure how Buffy and Spike are anything like Mal and Inara.
Heh, I just found a video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4obiNEFtvU] on Yahtzee hating Whedon. It's kind of funny. Is this what you were talking about?
Going back to the forcing us to care mechanic dough, yes exactly like in mass effect. Why didn't i put enough intimidation points to tell Wrex to STFU and just keep on going. But then there was this choice, Your 2 pals from the begging of the game, Either your friend Kaidan who has been with you for allot longer than the girl and probably knows you better or Ashley Williams who you have known for shorter but its an Attractive girl that is not only open to you but advancing again kind of a hard choice, I could never see my self killing Kaidan off dough, i always carry the kid around and love his character. Also the lack of interest i had in Ashley love subplot increased my focus on saving Kaidan, I was expecting more character development out of him, a kid that doesn't know why he is different. people try to change him and he ends up breaking necks about it sounds allot like me also at points it felt more that taking the role of Kaidan would had been more suitable for me.
Yatzee is right about this all dough, telling you that your character lost their whole platoon on a fight is not goint to really make you care, now once you see them loose their whole platoon on a fight and make you choose wich of your good companions is gonna get nuked within a time limit
now that is a good deciccion subplot.
Also Both Prototype and Infamous had a city that i just didn't care for, and this is why I personally like prototype more, because it lets me blow it up with style and much more variety. Like jump kicking Helicopters. Yeah.... but both the cities felt like a bunch of cardboard boxes that needed to be turned knocked down.
Yatzee is right about this all dough, telling you that your character lost their whole platoon on a fight is not goint to really make you care, now once you see them loose their whole platoon on a fight and make you choose wich of your good companions is gonna get nuked within a time limit
now that is a good deciccion subplot.Also Both Prototype and Infamous had a city that i just didn't care for, and this is why I personally like prototype more, because it lets me blow it up with style and much more variety. Like jump kicking Helicopters. Yeah.... but both the cities felt like a bunch of cardboard boxes that needed to be turned knocked down.
