Cliff_m85 said:
chaos order said:
chunkeymonke said:
chaos order said:
i think that the page should not be censored(i feel a bad burning sensation inside), however i find that everyone on that page is being a little bit of a dick. thy are simply doing this in order to piss people off without discretion. they dont care if they insult normal muslims or extremists ,they just want to insult muslims in general.
on a side note: alot of people here rag on religion, saying it is obsolete and we have the miracle of science to explain how the world works. Although i do somewhat agree with you ( as a muslim im saying this with clenched teeth). But people fail to realize that religion has brought alot of science into the world. we wouldn't have astronomy or even biology without religion for that matter. Yes during the earlier ages these sciences were basic but religion set the ground work for people to try and understand the world and universe around them. i wouldnt go so far as to say without religion we wouldnt have science without religion but religion did help ALOT to help sciences start. YES religion has attempted to stop science (like with evolution) but i think of it as the student surpassing the teacher, the teacher doesn't like it too much.
Religion may have "caused" the death of millions over the ages but it wasn't the religion it self that caused the death it was people reinterpreting their faith in order to further their political or personal goals. I think i'd like to use the NRA's slogan with this (although i dont like them either) in that religion dont kill people, people kill people. science is relatively new compared to other religions so it hasnt gone through this bastardization that religion has gone through. i mean i can think of one example were science has been used to negatively catagorize others. during the enlightenment(the time being when science began to gain popularity as the main tool in explaining the world) jews were labeled as an inferior species rather than a religion and that their death or segregation from society will benefit humanity as a whole. this is the best example of how science can also be the cause of violence, and death towards people.
so yes science has replaced religion as the main tool for explaining the world and that religion should be kept in ones home and not in politics, but it has done great things as well, like spreading morality and ethics towards each other and it is the extremists or the irrationals that choose to ignore such teachings. SO religion DOES deserve respect in my opinion event to athiests, they should at least respect religion similiar to that of a museum piece that has benefited humanity more than being a detriment to it.
really? remember the dark ages? hundreds of years with literally no scientific advancements because of religion? sorry i dont mean to sound like a dick but religion has not helped science
yes im not going to deny the dark ages was a dark time for religion (see what i did there?) but as i said in my earlier post, biology and astronomy were pretty much started because of religion. When kepler calculated that the planets rotated in an ellipse rather than a circle he was driven by a religious feeling that he would be closer to god by knowing more about the universe. Now that is an example of how religion has helped science. without religion driving kepler we wouldnt have been able to go to the moon or send satelites into space.
No it's not. It's an example of a religious individual helping science. Newton, for instance, was tossed in jail for going against the Bible. Religion deserves no respect. It shows time and time again that actual fact-based research gets fought against due to bronze-age faith.
The dark ages was a wonderful time for religion, it was a purely religious time. For science, however, not at all. You know why religion tries to stop science. It's not because the 'student is exceeding the teacher'. It's because science points to one 'scary' thing....that the religious hokum in holy texts is....well....hokum.
no id have to dis agree i do believe my kepler example is an exmaple of religion helping science. kepler would not have coniniued his research based on the rotaion of planets if it wasnt for religion because he didnt like his old teacher tycho brye. and example where a religious person helping science would be newton, he was religious (i think) who developed his theories and calculations wihout inspiration from religion.
give science some time eventually ell see the same type of disputes with it as we see with religion. even south park(ironic) made an episode about it (the one where cartman goes into the future to get a wii and ends up in a future where one group of atheists are human, and the other are otters fight over which science is correct.
You say you have repsect for people but not for religion but when you insult religion you insult the way people grew up, you insult their upbringing, their belief system, and their values. Thats why religion deserves at least some respect in that religion has teaches us moral values and ethics from generation to the next. Yes religious leaders have used religion in violent manners, however it is those people who chose to ignore sections of their religion and reinterpret other parts in order to justify their cause. ITs not necassarily religion itself that is the problem its how people use it. SImilar to how science can be the cause of great destruction and great peace. science can create technologies that have helped us in our daily lives, and also created the atom bomb which killed millions.
