Penn Jillette Speaks Out on RapeLay

[Altorin]

Hearing Penn put RapeLay in the same boat as Shakespeare or Agatha Christie made me laugh.. but on the whole, he's right.

 

[The Last Parade]

no, Don't agree

In murder it's bang and the guy is dead, no emotional traume to the victim, just a corpse

In rape there is far more damage to the victim emotionally, it goes to the point of inanity, or suicide. there are years of counceling involved just for the victim to come to terms with what happened.

Rape is greater then Torture which is greater than Murder which in turn is greater than violence

 

[Sindre1]

I think rape is worse than murder. One can still respect oneself while they're being murdered, even if it is a horrific experience; rape victims are most often horribly ashamed even though they've done nothing wrong.

One can not respect oneself when one is dead.
And you can get over shame. You can not get over death.

 

[asinann]

I dare any of you defending rape (...why not defend worshipping Satan and killing babies?) - talk to a rape victim and try to say it's not a big deal. I double dare you, I triple dare you. If you don't get kicked between the legs or slapped, you will get such a hate-filled stare that will make you instantly regret your words.

Nobody defended the act of rape, they defended the right of people to make whatever games they think will sell for whatever market the games are made for.

 

[Agayek]

Tell that to a rape victim.

Being murdered doesn't leave you horrifically traumatised.

Never having been raped, or knowing someone that's been raped, I cannot speak from personal experience.

That said, it's my belief that as long as you live, "things" (life, the universe, and everything) can be changed, if you are willing to strive for it. I firmly believe that one can get over any set back, and yes trauma is a setback, as long as they are alive to do it.

I view murder as the most heinous of crimes, simply because it takes away that option.

 

[asinann]

"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in [her] own eyes. What matters is not what I think of [her]; it is what [she] thinks of [herself]. To undermine a [woman's] self-respect is a sin." ?adapted from a quote by Antoine de Saint-Exupery

I think rape is worse than murder. One can still respect oneself while they're being murdered, even if it is a horrific experience; rape victims are most often horribly ashamed even though they've done nothing wrong.

Context is kind of important... People laugh at murder jokes in the right context; actually, people laugh at rape jokes if they're done in the right context (you wouldn't make them in polite company, but you've definitely heard them when you're with your friends). But from what I've heard about the gameplay in RapeLay, it's completely disrespectful.

Indeed, I don't know how many iterations of 'dropped the soap' I've heard, a lot though.

As for the game...people seem to be having a hard time divorcing the game from reality. And yet when asked say that they know it isn't real. And, to be fair, I'd be against the things too if, you know, real women were involved, which, as it stands is not the case. (VO work aside.)

Depictions don't have feelings. A picture can't cry. You are harming no-one by making use of such things, bar arguably yourself.

That's because rape jokes when pointed at males exclusively are allowed to be funny in society, but nobody laughs about prison rape when it's between two women.

 

[isay]

Wow, his arguments were very well thought out and really changed my viewpoint, but I have to ask at what point would he draw the line? He says himself this game has a 12 year old character, so does that mean that he would argue for all material involved in a paedophilic fantasy? Even the blurring of that line worries me profoundly.

 

[ucciolord1]

Well uh... rape is bad...
And a video game were you rape people must suck....
But, as Penn said, at the bottom level, people shouldn't be prosecuted for dirty thoughts. Even really dirty thoughts. They're just thoughts. Rapists should be prosecuted, 'cause rape is bad. But people who think about raping or play weird games lie RapeLay shouldn't be.

 

[sethisjimmy]

I don't know about you guys but I want to hear more on teller's opinion...

 

[CAPPINJACK]

**snipped the smarter, and more well thought out argument than sisterblues provided**

Still not getting it Einstein. Nice language, by the way. Shows your intelligence.

Obvious troll is ... you know the rest.

Well tata.....enjoy your virtual raping and killing.

Translation:

There is no way I can back up what I say without sounding like an extreme conservative whackjob. So I'll just throw out an unfounded blanket statement to insult everyone. Tata for now. Oh, and I eat babies.

I think he has a point. I also like to point out that it's a slippery slope to start banning things for moral reasons.

Like smoking?

Last I checked, in my country at least, smoking isn't banned outright. Sure I can't smoke in a bar or restaurant, but I sure can smoke in my own home. You also wouldn't play this game in public spaces either, but you could play it in the privacy of your own home.

Also smoking being banned in public places is a physical health concern. As in, I breathe in the smoke, I do damage to my body even though I don't want that smoke to begin with. If you were to play this game in public the most you'd do is make people give you funny looks. It's not like you'd break down and rape the next woman you saw (if you did, then you have much bigger problems).

As for the personal right to smoke and do damage to your own body, I don't care, do what makes you happy. As long as you pay the medical bills (or pay the taxes to pay the medical bills if you live in a more enlightened nation), it's all good. Same goes for games (violent, sexual, christian, etc...), if you can handle the separation of fantasy and reality, then go to town.

 

[lord canti]

hey asinann not all christians are like that but sadly most are but back on topic whie I think rape is disgusting and I would never would play this game I agree with penn on everything.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I think he has a point. I also like to point out that it's a slippery slope to start banning things for moral reasons.

Like smoking?

Last I checked, in my country at least, smoking isn't banned outright. Sure I can't smoke in a bar or restaurant, but I sure can smoke in my own home. You also wouldn't play this game in public spaces either, but you could play it in the privacy of your own home.

Interesting point, but in Japan, you can play a number of Mahjong games that show women degraded into stripping for you in public. But then in Japan it's illegal to smoke outdoors.

Which leads me to...

Also smoking being banned in public places is a physical health concern. As in, I breathe in the smoke, I do damage to my body even though I don't want that smoke to begin with.

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So it's perfectly alright to have woodsmoke channeled into the air, toxic waste dumped, carbon monoxide/lead pumped into the air, asbestos, trichloro-ethane (Tippex), Hydrogen Peroxide (Hair Bleach/Explosive) pumped into the air willy nilly but none of that nasty legal tobacco.

Because that kills, you know. Really really slowly.

Which may appear to be a huge tangent, but it comes back to this: You've not got a problems with games that promote illegal/immoral activities, but you're dead against ones that promote legal activities and are willing to have cigarettes air-brushed out of history (See that cinema adverts warn against tobacco references but not violent sexual behaviour)???

See where I'm having the trouble?

 

[londelen]

In my opinion, the fact that these games exist keeps actual rape lowered. Think about if everyone who had a rape fetish, instead of playing a video game and getting their release there, went out and raped somebody every time they needed to get off. By banning these games, you are denying their release, and I predict that rape rates will be on the rise. This is evidenced in Japan, where sex games are more widely accepted amongst the populace, people are allowed to produce these games, and Japan has a much lower rape rate than the United States or Canada. And where some people will argue against this, saying that "that's only because less of the rape is reported, it's more shameful in their country, and that's why they don't tell anyone about it"


although if the common stance on pedophilia in Japan is any indication, opponents are wrong there too. People have been arrested in for just saying Hello to schoolgirls, or asking for directions in a "Suspicious manner" in another case.

Just my two cents

 

[Ancientgamer]

He's right about murder being normalized. No one even shrugs at murder scenes in movies/games.

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

not realy, people who have been raped have to live the rest of their lives with the burden. people who have been murdered will get to limbo/heaven/hell/whatever they believe in and shrug it off.

It's not that simple. And Even if you believe in an afterlife. It's not something you just throw away.

Pragmatically, comparing murder to rape is like comparing baseball to stoning.

Emotionally, Yes, it's horrible. But almost all rape victims, eventually, get over it. Go talk to a rape victim who was raped 5 or 10 years ago, and then ask them if they'd rather died. Rape is temporary pain. Death is incurable, and not to be taken lightly even if you believe in an after life.