I hate that many people look at this as a black and white issue. Calling yourself a feminist associates you with everything that has ever been done in the name of feminism from the admirable to the deplorable. I don't know enough about it to decide whether I want to be associated with that (if anyone can point me somewhere trustworthy, that'd be nice, googling seems to be drawing a blank when it comeas to reliable discussion). In addition a one line definition is not the be all end all of the meaning of feminism, equality also means different things to different people.
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being "not eaqual" isn't a blanket statment...you need contextArkaniack said:
like in terms of intelligence men and women and equal, in terms of physical strength men are generally stronger..therefore it is not eaqual
[quote/]I am antifeminist. I am for equal rights and opportunities of genders (as MALE and FEMALE transvestites and cross dressers can go to hell)[/quote]
so you don't like transgender people
Absolutely. Rather than splitting hairs in order to disassociate myself with a word that apparently has an undeserved negative connotation I figure as long as feminism means equal rights for men and women, I support it 100%. By equal rights I mean within reason - there's no reason to give men and women equal rights in say, matters of abortion because there's no situation in which the man should have a legal say in the matter. Aside from niche circumstances like that though - I'm for whatever is the most equal.
Nope, I'm an Egalitarian:
e·gal·i·tar·i·an [ih-gal-i-tair-ee-uhn]
Adjective
1. Asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, economic, or social life.
Never understood what is so difficult about simply accepting that other people are different.
e·gal·i·tar·i·an [ih-gal-i-tair-ee-uhn]
Adjective
1. Asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, economic, or social life.
Never understood what is so difficult about simply accepting that other people are different.
Feminism is wonderful in theory.
So is Communism.
I believe that both genders should have the same rights, the same obligations, and be treated equal.
According to the dictionary, I'm a feminist.
Yet there's a lot about the movement (not the theory) that I can't agree with (affirmative action, for example) and the fact that for being an anti-sexism movement it doesn't give a crap when sexism goes against men, and yet when someone tries to create or join a movement that advocates to fight sexism against men, that person is automatically accused of being a "misogynist wife-beater woman-hater".
So here's the deal, feminists: Or you include sexism against men in your list of things to change, or you let us organize to combat that sexism without being shunned from society.
So is Communism.
I believe that both genders should have the same rights, the same obligations, and be treated equal.
According to the dictionary, I'm a feminist.
Yet there's a lot about the movement (not the theory) that I can't agree with (affirmative action, for example) and the fact that for being an anti-sexism movement it doesn't give a crap when sexism goes against men, and yet when someone tries to create or join a movement that advocates to fight sexism against men, that person is automatically accused of being a "misogynist wife-beater woman-hater".
So here's the deal, feminists: Or you include sexism against men in your list of things to change, or you let us organize to combat that sexism without being shunned from society.
DON'T QUOTE ME OUT OF CONTEXT!Kahunaburger said:
"Married man can't force his wife to have sex with him, in france if man doesn't please his wife when she wants he can get fined."
What I said IS: In marriage men can't force their wife's to have sex against woman's will - WIFE CAN FORCE HER HUSBAND AGAINST HIS WILL TO HAVE SEX - WHAT IS RAPE.
Actually, the story in question was part of a divorce case. AFIAK in France, the person asking for this type of divorce proceeding has to foot the legal bill, but he/she can also sue for damages if the divorce causes him/her to suffer in some way.Arkaniack said:
OFC, the media reported it as "IN FARNCE U HAV TO HAV SECKS OR GET FIN11!!1" because that gets more pageviews.
Kahunaburger said:
First miss quote me on purpose, now try to tell me I am wrong. ok. I was wrong, not getting enough sex for woman is more damaging than violating husbands free will to not have sex.
also, since you are so smart, please explain me all other things like: why qualifications for women are lowered when job hunting, why there is gender quotas (where gender means female), why females gets in jail for shorter time than men for same crime, why feminists require females to get well paid positions while doesn't require females to have equal job opportunities in eg coal mining, why female genitals mutilation is bad while male genitals mutilation is ok, why females has so many privileges in law, why in case of domestic violence men is arrested even if female is attacker, why creating list of 15 sexiest scientist females is offensive, why all men are rapists without exception... I am sure you have great explanations for that.
Jiggy said:
Once you simmer down a bit, let's take another look at the comment I was responding to.
I don't know about you, but I find it hilarious when an MRA is trying to establish himself/herself as a egalitarian progressive but is unable to keep his/her sexism/homophobia/transphobia/etc. in long enough to do that.Arkaniack said:
Equal rights? Yeah all for it. But the term feminist has become something other than its original meaning. Ever since my friend couldn't witness the birth of his daughter because he wasn't married and the mother gets all rights I said "screw feminism." Not that the original idea is bad, I'm all for equal rights for men, women, gays, bis, race, ect, but I feel feminism isn't the same anymore.
By the definition, yes, but I wouldn't like calling myself that. It feels like focusing on JUST women's rights to me, and I believe that EVERYONE should be equal.
'Cause you know, I hate all races, sexes and creeds equally. I'm an egalitarian.
'Cause you know, I hate all races, sexes and creeds equally. I'm an egalitarian.
Depends on what the quota's for, of course, but at least in American admissions men are a larger beneficiary of gender quotas than women. The female applicant pool is larger than the male applicant pool.Arkaniack said:
Bwuh?Arkaniack said:
But y r u using def u got from book lernin? I saw on the fox news that 'feminist' means 'woman who is tryin to keep poor oppressed men liek me down!'Nasrin said:
No. I treat (and distrust) everyone equally regardless of race, gender or nationality. In my eyes you are simply a human and will be treated as such - that means no special treatment for either gender.
these are nothing to do with feminism, also it's my problem. By the way I have reasons to not like traps (different topic, you can message me in PM, but since you are troll I doubt I will answer). Plus I am not from MRA, I am for equal male/female rights.Kahunaburger said:
Yes, but he proves that feminists dodges "equality", and people that are reading will possibly notice how retarded they are.Jiggy said: