Mikodite said:
I would be hard-pressed to find a feminist that thought men suck and should be mal-treated (though misandrists exists), however what you are talking about is not their fight, and therefore they are not going to champion it, being women and all, whom are too busy with issues like female reproductive rights, being treated like meat for showing some skin, slut shaming, sex-trafficking, having pictures of Mario sodomizing them for even so much as saying there is misogyny in gaming culture where it has been suggested that it is not a vocal minority.
So... why don't you champion it? Your a man, and it affects you as a man. Afraid of getting made fun of and laughed at? Guess what? First wave feminists were mocked in their day. So are gay rights activists. Even third wave feminists are routinely mocked, because apparently abortion is a trivial problem, and there is nothing amoral at all about implying that the gaming industry fucks women in the ass. SUCK IT UP! You and other egalitarian males who feels the wraith of the double standard should totally stand up for your right to custody of your kids, fair and equal treatment in the judicial system, and not being made out as retards on television.
Maybe I should have kept the original post intact so you would understand what we were talking about.
The original post was here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.381869-Poll-Are-you-a-feminist?page=5#15058534]. It talks about losing respect for feminists because of *trivial* complaints, not the serious ones you're mentioning. Abortion isn't trivial because it, quite literally, is a matter of life and death and feminists aren't the only ones that are fighting that battle. It's also religion and more factions. The only people that consider it trivial are fools with no grasp on the topic.
As for calling me an "egalitarian male," No. If you insist, just call me an egalitarian; gender's outside of this argument. This is about feminists in general, not just the females. I won't speak up, not because I'm afraid, but because I just don't want to be politically active. It's something I wouldn't enjoy. I'd rather have the daily routine of going to work then coming home to spend time with my family, not marching around waving protest signs.
I'm certain there are fathers that have had unfair treatment with custody battles because of stereotypes and I truly do sympathize with them, not because I'm a man, but because I love kids and look forward to being a father, myself. And even feminists can sympathize with a loving father who just lost his child (right?). Anyone political can speak up, a feminist, too. It certainly would be more meaningful than complaining about the new Hitman trailer. It would give me more respect for them. Actually, I would have complete faith in them if a feminist openly fought for a loving father who just lost his daughter/son in court. I'd probably cry reading a news article about that.
However, your point about making public statements against "men being made out as retards on television?" That *is* a trivial issue and that's the kind of complaining that's made me lose respect for feminists over the years. Life issues are important to advocate, but public appearances and stereotypes? In school I used to say "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." Why advocate against something that is obviously untrue? Women don't (usually) dress so exposed, so why care that they do in video games? Men (usually) don't recklessly have a child and abandon them, so why care that it's expressed often in soap operas, movies, etc.? It was this kind of complaining that my original post was based on, and it is the main reason why I think feminists (male and female) should move on to defending both genders. Maybe that way they can stop complaining about the trivial stuff and always focus on important issues.