The Constitution has served us well all these years. It is unfortunate that politicians these days don't seem to adhere to it. All the stuff you describe has nothing to do with the Constitution, most of the recent wars were unconstitutionla anyway because Congress never approved them. Basically the values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are basic human rights, as is property.PurpleRain said:
Poll: Do you own a gun? If so, why?
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Really the constitution is what protects freedoms and limits governments. You seem to have this mindset that we "blindly" defend something. No it's something we believe it, we believe in what this nation was founded on. The freedom of individuals to live their lives as they see fit, the right to private property, the right to privacy, the right to pursue happiness (wealth) we love our country our people our "values". It isn't blind patriotism.PurpleRain said:
And I don't know what book you read but I don't think we where "founded" on the slave trade there. Yes we had it as did most countries back then, even then it was mainly the south.(also nothing about it in the constitution...)
sneakypenguin said:
Oh yeah, I'm not dishing out on that. I wouldn't argue that it has done great things, I'm merely attacking ideals and mindsets. Change is always needed. They can redo the constitution to fit better into todays society. There should be nothing sacred of it.PatientGrasshopper said:
Aka: Brainwashing. Yay!Darkside360 said:
The Supreme Court, in a landmark decision, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008) ruled that "[t]he Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" and "that the District?s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."cyber_andyy said:
SCOTUS ruled it an individual right. Also in the case of a corrupt government it's IIRC usually police action that is used to control people. Soldiers don't kill their own people too well. and that would be the fastest way for an authoritarian/ totalitarian govn't to lose sovereignty/legitimacy over people. And vs police i'd say the millions of americans with AR15s and AKs and barrets could prove quite the deterrent.
It is technically legal for me to own several guns, but it is hard to do so.
In my country you can buy a shotgun and .22 rifle for hunting at age 16, provided you have taken and passed the hunters test (a 5day course with a test at the end, and a day of practice shooting), as hunting has long traditions. You also need to send an aplication to the local police.
heavier calibre rifles you have to be 18 and with the same conditions as above.
With handguns you need to have been a regular member of a shooting club for a minimum of 2years, and then you need to send an application to the local police.
Shotguns and hunting rifles are actually quite common to own, but other types of weapons are very rare.
I'd love to get my hands on a few handguns and a shotgun. I'm a weapon buff, as they say.
Damn... I think I might just need to move the the States!
In my country you can buy a shotgun and .22 rifle for hunting at age 16, provided you have taken and passed the hunters test (a 5day course with a test at the end, and a day of practice shooting), as hunting has long traditions. You also need to send an aplication to the local police.
heavier calibre rifles you have to be 18 and with the same conditions as above.
With handguns you need to have been a regular member of a shooting club for a minimum of 2years, and then you need to send an application to the local police.
Shotguns and hunting rifles are actually quite common to own, but other types of weapons are very rare.
I'd love to get my hands on a few handguns and a shotgun. I'm a weapon buff, as they say.
Damn... I think I might just need to move the the States!
I have a little .22 pea shooter right now. It's semiautomatic and fun as hell to shoot. I used to have a Smith and Wesson .357 Revolver, but I sold it to my uncle. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made.
One day I will own an M1 Garand. I love that freaking gun.
One day I will own an M1 Garand. I love that freaking gun.
What gave you the money to become what you are? The plantations worked by slaves. With out them, you'd be as rich as Africa. You NEEDED those slaves, overwise you would still be a few little towns, scattered around the place.sneakypenguin said:
Yay you proved my point! Going back to the social and historical context, these were days before a proper police force, and therefore this little do-hicky here tells you that you can keep and bear arms as part of this milita. Now then,you have a police force in America, therefore you no longer need to bear arms to form a milita, do you see?Darkside360 said:
You probally won't as I can guess from your avatar you're one of these backwards people who believe in taking away a womans right to abortion, and that black people are still sub human.
But it was worth a try eh?
How ever messed up a country this is, I would rather live here than a place where a mcdonalds worker is shot every week, and where people like John McCain are actually allowed to run for leadership.
**A note to any mods, feel free to lock this thread now, as it's so far off the track now that it may as well be in orbit.**
Until, that happens, feel free to continue.
The Constitution can be amended and has been several times, but anytime you bring in more Government regulation and contribute to an expansion of bureaucracy you cause problems.PurpleRain said:
Do you think the Government is not corrupt now? Also, yes the military does have superior firepower but that has not stopped revolutions before.cyber_andyy said:
They didn't have airstrikes, and helicopters. I mean, freaking AIRSTRIKES. That would stop my revolution.PatientGrasshopper said:
"YARGH!"
"Call an airstrike!"
"Well isn't that a nice daisy."
You're an excellent example of the disconnection between man and nature. We've become so detached from our true nature, we believe it "cruel" and "barbaric" to do things we are naturally programmed to do. No, I do not hunt simply to mount a nice buck's head on my wall, that's stupid and wasteful. I hunt because my family needs to eat. Sure, I could go and buy factory farmed chicken (have you seen those places? Go check one out, and I'm sure you'll never eat store-bought chicken again), or I could go out, and naturally hunt an animal that has been living a "normal" life.cyber_andyy said:
Human's have been hunting for thousands upon thousands of years, and killing an animal that lives in the wild is no less humane than killing an animal bred for the slaughter (perhaps even more so).
Also, your argument for eating chickens "because they don't know that this is 'cruel'" is a weak one. I could apply your logic to any animal, including humans, and justify cruel treatment. If I constantly abused a dog from it's birth, and it did not realise that this treatment was "cruel", it'd be perfectly fine?
And a number of animals are eaten by wild animals. Are wolves and coyotes cruel and barbaric animals? Or should they begin eating only animals that are farmed for their consumption?
I'll take hunted meat over factory-farmed meat any day of the week. I don't even buy most meats now, unless they're raised in a humane and sustainable fashion (ie, NATURALLY).
