Poll: Forum moderators: Unfair?

[TheLefty]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

 

[Space Spoons]

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments". I'm sure they are given a brief over view of what is "expected". But, from what I've seen around here it's really just a flip of the coin/the mood of the mod...pile on top of that the rampant orgasmic snitching on this site...well the results are all around.

I can't speak for each any every case of disciplinary action that's been taken, but the rules are outlined clearly here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.116826-These-forums-and-you-Forum-Posting-Guidelines] and here. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.112832-The-Banhammer-and-You-A-Users-Guide-to-the-Forums?page=1] They aren't nearly as vague as you're making them out to be.

 

[manaman]

This is what I am talking about. You guys are scared to question them.

For the most part no they are not unfair, but they are human like anyone else and capable of mistakes. Which is why if you think they are being unfair then every message you get for mod wrath includes a link you can follow to question that wrath. So nobody is afraid to question them. The guys that get paid to manage the forums want you to question them if you think you where wronged.

 

[RangerSERE]

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments". I'm sure they are given a brief over view of what is "expected". But, from what I've seen around here it's really just a flip of the coin/the mood of the mod...pile on top of that the rampant orgasmic snitching on this site...well the results are all around.

I can't speak for each any every case of disciplinary action that's been taken, but the rules are outlined clearly here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.116826-These-forums-and-you-Forum-Posting-Guidelines] and here. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.112832-The-Banhammer-and-You-A-Users-Guide-to-the-Forums?page=1] They aren't nearly as vague as you're making them out to be.

Be that as it may, its still left to the interpretation of people...who we are to assume are do right? Im sorry, thats still flawed, very much so. There are so many loopholes and unclear wordings there, also context is never fully appreciated, but thats more a basic flaw in a text based world.

 

[crudus]

it was more than a year ago, and i can't be bothered to look through all the religious discussion threads from last spring to now.

You are naturally free to disregard my post. (Like i think i would if someone else had posted it.) But i stand by my point.

Well, from the way you are saying it it does sound like the mods were unfair but it is more likely you missed something. However, if I said "you are ugly" or "you're stupid" that is a personal attack (against the rules) and the start of the flame war (frowned upon) and I would get the banhammer even though it is my opinion. More than likely one of those were said or implied.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments". I'm sure they are given a brief over view of what is "expected". But, from what I've seen around here it's really just a flip of the coin/the mood of the mod...pile on top of that the rampant orgasmic snitching on this site...well the results are all around. It does seem to be based on the size of the site, bigger sites are much more open to interpretation of what is a moderated offense or not. This place being rather small, I guess there's much more room for sanctimonious behavior.

<link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.116827-These-forums-and-you-Forum-Posting-Guidelines>Read <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.112832-The-Banhammer-and-You-A-Users-Guide-to-the-Forums>these before saying there's no set rules.

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Be that as it may, its still left to the interpretation of people...who we are to assume are do right? Im sorry, thats still flawed, very much so. There are so many loopholes and unclear wordings there, also context is never fully appreciated, but thats more a basic flaw in a text based world.

I didn't have ANY troubles figuring out what's appropriate and what isn't, as have about 95% of the forum goers.

If you're really that into loopholes, consider going to law school.

 

[DrunkWithPower]

I've had no real trouble. They rarely make bs calls here, maybe 3% of the time. It's mainly because somebody asks for a one or two word answer then changes it for explaination.

 

[schroing]

There's much worse but there's also much, much better.

 

[manaman]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

No it doesn't read the rules. Bashing on the mods is against the rules like it is for anyone else. In fact it specifically prohibits creating threads to question the mods and provides official channels for you to do so. Try reading the rules and the posting guidelines sometime.

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments".

Again read the damned rules. The guidelines by Kuliani are a great place to start as well and are stickied on the forums.

I've been around the forums longer then most other then staff. The mods are not unfair, and I trust the people Kuliani selects to moderate the forums. Oh, and look at that 10,000 posts, three years of posting, no mod wrath. I read the rules and I am perfectly content to follow them.

In fact you don't even really need to know them. Post in English, make it legible, don't insult others, and try to make at least a complete sentence of your response and you pretty likely to never run afoul of the mods.

 

[Snarky Username]

I haven't noticed them being unfair. Every time I've seen someone get mod wrath, it's been deserved.

Just writing first or such. They ban people on Yahtzee's page for no reason at all. read the latest and see why the first four people were banned. Absolutely no reason. I condone anything that suppresses freedom of speech.

They have made it known that you have to watch the video before posting. Judging by the timestamp of their posts, the did not. Also, keep in mind that someone else probably reported them first before the mods came in. Again, harsh, but they were warned. You can't just post for the sake of posting, you have to read the original post/see the video first.

 

[RangerSERE]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

No it doesn't read the rules. Bashing on the mods is against the rules like it is for anyone else. In fact it specifically prohibits creating threads to question the mods and provides official channels for you to do so. Try reading the rules and the posting guidelines sometime.

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments".

Again read the damned rules. The guidelines by Kuliani are a great place to start as well and are stickied on the forums.

I've been around the forums longer then most other then staff. The mods are not unfair, and I trust the people Kuliani selects to moderate the forums.

That brings me to a very good point, fanboying of this site. People do it rampantly. Completely kills objectivity around here.

 

[antipunt]

Here? No, absolutely not.

Other places... HELL YES. Bunch of random sites that will not be named, because they annoy me

 

[RangerSERE]

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments". I'm sure they are given a brief over view of what is "expected". But, from what I've seen around here it's really just a flip of the coin/the mood of the mod...pile on top of that the rampant orgasmic snitching on this site...well the results are all around. It does seem to be based on the size of the site, bigger sites are much more open to interpretation of what is a moderated offense or not. This place being rather small, I guess there's much more room for sanctimonious behavior.

<link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.116827-These-forums-and-you-Forum-Posting-Guidelines>Read <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.112832-The-Banhammer-and-You-A-Users-Guide-to-the-Forums>these before saying there's no set rules.

EDIT:

Be that as it may, its still left to the interpretation of people...who we are to assume are do right? Im sorry, thats still flawed, very much so. There are so many loopholes and unclear wordings there, also context is never fully appreciated, but thats more a basic flaw in a text based world.

I didn't have ANY troubles figuring out what's appropriate and what isn't, as have about 95% of the forum goers.

If you're really that into loopholes, consider going to law school.

Too late already there...granted its military law...but you get the point.

 

[Dags90]

They're relatively decent. There are some glaring inconsistencies in moderation, the inconsistencies increase inversely proportional to the degree of punishment. It seems for the lesser infractions that many reported posts are simply "let go" or as someone described "look the other way" while others aren't so lucky.

I have to agree with Ranger that this forum, and most forums, give too much leeway on punishments. It leads to rules which state "do not do this or you will be punished" to actually seem more like "do not do this or you MAY be punished." It reminds me of the legal limbo that assisted suicide was at in the U.K.

 

[Just_A_Glitch]

I've seen a grand total of one banning that I didn't agree deserved it. Aside from that, the mods here seem to know what they're doing, and do it very fairly.

 

[Snarky Username]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

No it doesn't read the rules. Bashing on the mods is against the rules like it is for anyone else. In fact it specifically prohibits creating threads to question the mods and provides official channels for you to do so. Try reading the rules and the posting guidelines sometime.

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments".

Again read the damned rules. The guidelines by Kuliani are a great place to start as well and are stickied on the forums.

I've been around the forums longer then most other then staff. The mods are not unfair, and I trust the people Kuliani selects to moderate the forums.

That brings me to a very good point, fanboying of this site. People do it rampantly. Completely kills objectivity around here.

I fail to see how correcting you on "There's no set standard of rules" is considered fanboyism. But to your point, there's a reason people come to this site- because they like it. I wouldn't call it "The last haven of intelligence on the internet" that others do, but it's still pretty good.

 

[RangerSERE]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

No it doesn't read the rules. Bashing on the mods is against the rules like it is for anyone else. In fact it specifically prohibits creating threads to question the mods and provides official channels for you to do so. Try reading the rules and the posting guidelines sometime.

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments".

Again read the damned rules. The guidelines by Kuliani are a great place to start as well and are stickied on the forums.

I've been around the forums longer then most other then staff. The mods are not unfair, and I trust the people Kuliani selects to moderate the forums.

That brings me to a very good point, fanboying of this site. People do it rampantly. Completely kills objectivity around here.

I fail to see how correcting you on "There's no set standard of rules" is considered fanboyism. But anywho, there's a reason people come to this site, because they like it. I wouldn't call it "The last haven of intelligence on the internet" that others do, but it's still pretty good.

Again context...

Also people jumping in to defend other peoples conversations is rather, well fanboyish...regardless, thanks for assuming I was referring to anyone specific to this thread or at this given moment. It lends credence to my original points.

 

[manaman]

Also, word of warning, these threads don't usually last too long.

Doesn't that prove this? If this topic gets closed it more or less proves the point of the topic.

No it doesn't read the rules. Bashing on the mods is against the rules like it is for anyone else. In fact it specifically prohibits creating threads to question the mods and provides official channels for you to do so. Try reading the rules and the posting guidelines sometime.

Well considering there seems to be no set standard of rules. A lot of the things the mods do seem to be whim based. When there isn't a set standard, and the mods are just as human as the users there is bound to be a cluster fuck of errors and "misjudgments".

Again read the damned rules. The guidelines by Kuliani are a great place to start as well and are stickied on the forums.

I've been around the forums longer then most other then staff. The mods are not unfair, and I trust the people Kuliani selects to moderate the forums.

That brings me to a very good point, fanboying of this site. People do it rampantly. Completely kills objectivity around here.

I see, I disagree with you, therefor I am a fanboy? You don't know me, and you don't know why I said what I did, if you did you wouldn't have said that. I never fawned over the site in that post.

I don't get this anyway if you have such a problem leave. It's not like all 158 of your posts have left you with a vested interest in staying here. So what really is the problem? You made an ignorant post, then shown you are wrong. So what now you are going to attack everyone and this site to somehow validate your misguided opinion? I am not bashing you here I simply want you to stop, take a deep breath and ask yourself why you are really going down the path you are. Isn't there something better you could be doing with your time?

 

[Gigano]

I don't feel like the moderation here is unfair. It sets some above average standards internetwise (like not allowing annoying "first" posts), but the site comes off better for it.

I have to say yes.

Mostly because I once saw a user banned for expressing his views on the value of moral without religious guidance.

(An Atheist that said that he thought that Atheist had moral highground because they do good without fear of punishment or hope of reward.)

As quite a regular in the Religion & Politics forum, who's levied many a criticism towards religion and its dogmas myself, I must say that's never been my general impression. I've only ever seen personal attacks and real trolling (rather than passionate arguments for an actually held stance) be moderated there, as well as a single instance of a user who went about his (actually not unreasonable) view on the spicy topic of racism the entirely wrong way with some very poor choice of supplemental pictures and an easily misunderstandable lack of argumentative clarity in what he was actually trying to get at.

I haven't seen the incident you refer to though.

 

[Blue Musician]

They are quite fair, normally on most forums I see it's full of trolls.

Example: GameTrailers.