Poll: Metroid: Other M killed Samus

[deathbydeath]

i'd like to bring up the metroid manga up to make my point: the manga did a fine job of filling in the gap between her birth and right before the end of the first metroid. it gave her humanity, and she even had a ptsd outbreak when she met ridley after not seeing him after 20-odd years. the manga made her human, a nice, if slightly rebellious and loyal warrior with an interesting past, but could not star in a final fantasy game. (i haven't played other m, and probably never will, but i love the prime games)

 

[Nazulu]

I agree 100% with the article. She never needed some pathetic personality, she was already perfect a long with all the games up to Metroid Prime. She may have been silent but she was bad ass because of it, and then instead of some over done story with super cliche' and lame dialogue, they could just focus on making it a great game. I knew they would fuck it up by doing this.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Well I haven't played the game so I can't really say much, but my usual response to stuff like this is to quote Yahtzee from his Silent Hill: Homecoming review,
"Fans are clinging complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concessions you make, the moment you shut out their shrill tremulous voices the happier you'll be for it."

For once a Yahtzee quote actually works

 

[Hothcliff]

Other M didn't kill Samus. Nothing could kill Samus except maybe the capsizing of Nintendo and subsequent poor marketing decisions by the vultures who inherit the corpse.
However, the game made Samus seem like a submissive with a dissociative disorder and a tendency for melodrama, as the article said. It was an interesting attempt to add dimension to the character aside from "shoot-kill," but it missed the mark.

 

[DustyDrB]

I haven't played the game yet (I will, though), but the character is too classic to be killed by one game. At worst, this is just an overstatement.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Well I haven't played the game so I can't really say much, but my usual response to stuff like this is to quote Yahtzee from his Silent Hill: Homecoming review,
"Fans are clinging complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concessions you make, the moment you shut out their shrill tremulous voices the happier you'll be for it."

For once a Yahtzee quote actually works

That quote has been applicable to more situations on this site alone then I care to count.

 

[captainordo]

Not sure if you guys have heard about this, but some girl from IGN wrote an article on how Metroid: Other M ruined Samus.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/112/1122068p1.html

Morgan Webb from G4 basically said the same thing.

Thoughts?

Abbie Heppe wrote the review and Morgan Webb just did the video review. Just saying
OT: I havn't played it, but it does seem to be a very big change from the original characteristics and I'm not sure it was the right choise for Nintendo to make.

 

[night_chrono]

I think it's a step in the right direction.

They tried to give us the deep inner feelings of Samus during the cut-scenes. While during the gameplay she chugged along like nothing was wrong because she had to.

I know a number of Iraqi veterans who are the same way. They hated being over there and did some horrible things that aren't proud of, but go on like any other day with their heads held high because the have to.

 

[Viking Incognito]

Let me say this, I have never played a Metroid game so I am un-bias. He says this is the first time she has been given voice so how would he have this deep insight he claims to have into her character?

 

[runningtable]

Was I the only one who read the Metroid Manga? That's how she has always been.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Was I the only one who read the Metroid Manga? That's how she has always been.

You weren't the only one. Trust me

 

[Aura Guardian]

Well I haven't played the game so I can't really say much, but my usual response to stuff like this is to quote Yahtzee from his Silent Hill: Homecoming review,
"Fans are clinging complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concessions you make, the moment you shut out their shrill tremulous voices the happier you'll be for it."

For once a Yahtzee quote actually works

That quote has been applicable to more situations on this site alone then I care to count.

I can only imagine.

 

[Lavi]

I miss the badass ************ who was raised by freaking aliens! Thanks for making her into a stereotypical shitty female character, Nintendo. I just wanted a badass female, and I lost that too... until I forgot absolutely everything about Other M by choice

 

[Bradfucius]

http://screwattack.com/videos/TGO-Episode-40-Heavens-to-Metroid

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[Larmo]

To my knowledge Team Ninja cant or haven't do characterization/story for women, especially leading ones.

They took a independent strong woman, with little in the way of 'breast physics' and adolescent pandering who is almost never seen without armor, into a codependent girl who hangs off a previously unmentioned (to my knowledge) Male character's every word and is totally submissive to him, they missed the point of what we DO know about her character entirely.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

This argument is idiotic. Where does it state that Samus is a cold blooded ***** that eats testicles for lunch? Actually, moviebob said it better than me: http://screwattack.com/videos/TGO-Episode-40-Heavens-to-Metroid

It made a one dimensional character third dimensional and suddenly that is a bad thing? Are we really that accustomed to the emotionless angry fuckheads that wouldn't smile even if they won a billion dollars while getting sucked off by Angelina Jolie and watching "insert hilarious movie title here" that we can't accept any other character archetype?

Sure, let's go with this. *approves*

 

[RanmaYagami]

One single game is not going to kill off Samus.

I keep hearing on other sites that they tried to base Samus' personality off of where she was in the time-line of the Metroid universe in this game.
I looked over some of the stuff (mostly manga) people had posted, and I, for one, don't believe that at this point in time, Samus would have been as bad-off emotionally as they try to portray her.
One of the major problems people have is when she meets Ridley. While I won't say that she should have just run up guns a-blazin', she shouldn't have locked up as bad as she did, either. Sure, he's the reason she became an orphan, but she's faced him down and kicked his ass by this time. Sure, she might be surprised that he's alive, but locking up that badly? No.

And that's about the extent to which I know about this game. I rented it yesterday, and haven't gotten around to trying it out yet. Once I decided I wanted to try it, I attempted to stay away from too many more spoilers than what I had already seen/heard.

I don't mind Nintendo trying to give her a voice and a story. I really don't. But if they're going to give her character more, well, character, they need to realize that by now, people assume Samus is a very tough person, both mentally and physically.

EDIT:

To my knowledge Team Ninja cant or haven't do characterization/story for women, especially leading ones.

They took a independent strong woman, with little in the way of 'breast physics' and adolescent pandering who is almost never seen without armor, into a codependent girl who hangs off a previously unmentioned (to my knowledge) Male character's every word and is totally submissive to him, they missed the point of what we DO know about her character entirely.

Actually, I was under the impression that Team Ninja didn't do the characterization of Samus in this, and that it was either Makoto (creator of Samus) or Hiroji (designer of Samus) that ok'd the characterization.

 

[sgt. soap mctavish]

i found nothing wrong with other m and so does everybody in this article. so why would someone say otherwise?

 

[Atmos Duality]

Considering that Other M's Samus is presented in a manner that directly contradicts her character...yeah. I'd say that they fucked up. Big time.

 

[Larmo]

Sakamoto did all that first. The Zero Suit did little else but to give him, and Nintendo to a larger extent, an excuse to market Samus as T&A. While it makes more sense to wear a bodysuit of sorts below the suit, it doesn't make sense for her proportions or body to look like that outside of the suit. She has no musculature, her arms are like twigs and her figure is pretty much impossible. Not to mention in Other M she actually looks to be much shorter outside the suit then she is inside it. Also, you know, Sakamoto was completely in charge of this game. He was the one who picked Team Ninja to work on the game, he had 100% control over this game.

*sigh* it not that i mind that she has doubts or fears, or even a love interest, it just seemed to be handled badly, or it could be that Adam is a bland character to be puppy eyes after and the 'authorization' or the armor powers just tipped it over for me, it could have been a good story adding a 3rd dimension to Samus's character but it just fell flat for me.