Rape Games Not Banned in Japan After All

[wolfy098]

Sigh, why doesn't Japan just ban rape FULLSTOP!

sorry to say this but Japan has one of the lowest amount of rapes in any country because of these games...

American rapists rape people
Japanese rapists go out of their way not to and play rape games
we call this MORALS

First off, their is no actual research that proves the link between rape games and Japans low rape rate. Japans low rape rate could have more to do with their police force lacking resources and as a result more crimes go unreported.

Secondly, the idea that a rape game prevents rape is flawed. Someone who wants to rape someone would not be satisfied by a video game. Since everyone links sex to violence, I will do the same to prove my point. If rape games prevented rape, then murder games would prevent murder. By this logic, games like Postal stop people from actually going out and killing people. A murderer doesn't want to kill pixels, they want to kill humans. The same goes for a rapist.

Video games neither prevent nor cause crimes. Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?

your also curing my lack of ability to laugh at idiots who think everyone thinks like them

Excuse me, but why did you say this?

I did not insert my opinion on rape games in that post. All I said was that a rape game would not prevent the actual crime of rape.

If you disagree with this then explain why. I really don't see why you responded in such a rude manner.

ACTUALLY

I was commenting on your quote

"Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?"

so yes YOU can cure psycological problems with computer programs

That does not justify the comment you made.

Again, if you have a reason to disagree with what I said, then explain it.

okay I apologize I was in a bad mood

HOWEVER i maintain my point that we couldn't understand how a rapist thinks so we can't judge how they will act

 

[Internet Kraken]

okay 2) the game isn't something i'm gonna protect it is EXTREMELY dodgy even by rape game standards (or so I hear) however there will be people who don't need to do more than play this games so it does sotp a few

I doubt any person who does not rape because of this game would rape if they didn't have the game.

Those people would merely be fulfilling a bizarre fantasy they have through the video game. To them, rape is nothing more than a fantasy. If they couldn't satisfy these fantasy through a video game or some other source, they would probably just suppress it. They would never actually rape someone.

what was the point in that you've told me i'm wrong only to say that you aggree with my overall point?

You keep saying that rape games do prevent some people from raping.

So long as you keep saying that, I'm going to disagree for a valid reason.

 

[wolfy098]

okay 2) the game isn't something i'm gonna protect it is EXTREMELY dodgy even by rape game standards (or so I hear) however there will be people who don't need to do more than play this games so it does sotp a few

I doubt any person who does not rape because of this game would rape if they didn't have the game.

Those people would merely be fulfilling a bizarre fantasy they have through the video game. To them, rape is nothing more than a fantasy. If they couldn't satisfy these fantasy through a video game or some other source, they would probably just suppress it. They would never actually rape someone.

what was the point in that you've told me i'm wrong only to say that you aggree with my overall point?

You keep saying that rape games do prevent some people from raping.

So long as you keep saying that, I'm going to disagree for a valid reason.

Okay remind me which point it is then i'll make another point

 

[Gamer137]

Is this the most evenly divided a topic has ever been on the Escapist?

Anyway, -1 for censorship. +1 for not regulating something does not hurt anyone.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Sigh, why doesn't Japan just ban rape FULLSTOP!

sorry to say this but Japan has one of the lowest amount of rapes in any country because of these games...

American rapists rape people
Japanese rapists go out of their way not to and play rape games
we call this MORALS

First off, their is no actual research that proves the link between rape games and Japans low rape rate. Japans low rape rate could have more to do with their police force lacking resources and as a result more crimes go unreported.

Secondly, the idea that a rape game prevents rape is flawed. Someone who wants to rape someone would not be satisfied by a video game. Since everyone links sex to violence, I will do the same to prove my point. If rape games prevented rape, then murder games would prevent murder. By this logic, games like Postal stop people from actually going out and killing people. A murderer doesn't want to kill pixels, they want to kill humans. The same goes for a rapist.

Video games neither prevent nor cause crimes. Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?

your also curing my lack of ability to laugh at idiots who think everyone thinks like them

Excuse me, but why did you say this?

I did not insert my opinion on rape games in that post. All I said was that a rape game would not prevent the actual crime of rape.

If you disagree with this then explain why. I really don't see why you responded in such a rude manner.

ACTUALLY

I was commenting on your quote

"Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?"

so yes YOU can cure psycological problems with computer programs

That does not justify the comment you made.

Again, if you have a reason to disagree with what I said, then explain it.

okay I apologize I was in a bad mood

HOWEVER i maintain my point that we couldn't understand how a rapist thinks so we can't judge how they will act

What? That wasn't even your point. You said that computers can cure psychological issues.

Whatever, I'll address this new argument. While I certainly don't claim to know what a rapist thinks, it's safe to assume that if someone is a rapist they want to rape someone. That's why they are rapists. Rapists like to have a feeling of complete dominance over the person they are victimizing. They can't satisfy such a need with a game. They know that the only thing they have control over is a cluster of ones and zeros.

Again, it's like expecting a murderer to be satisfied with a violent video game. They have blood lust, and some red pixels flying out of a pedestrian on a TV screen would not make this psychological issue vanish.

 

[bue519]

OK, somebody get me an AC-130 and direct me to the Diet. I haven't got a clue why the Japanese culture has allowed these games to continue, but erotic computer games are bad altogether, let alone ones involving rape.

And games about mass murder are much better? Your no better than the people who claim video games cause people to murders. Besides you cant ban something just because you don't like it. Free Speech anyone?

Look, the problem is that erotic games lack any modicum of quality, that is to say, they're fucking shite. I think that's a reasonable reason to have them banned, don't you? I mean, their lack of quality reflects badly on the rest of the gaming market.

So... most flash games sucks. Does that mean we should ban those too? In the end it just a free speech and plus if there wasn't a market for them then why would people make them?

 

[Internet Kraken]

okay 2) the game isn't something i'm gonna protect it is EXTREMELY dodgy even by rape game standards (or so I hear) however there will be people who don't need to do more than play this games so it does sotp a few

I doubt any person who does not rape because of this game would rape if they didn't have the game.

Those people would merely be fulfilling a bizarre fantasy they have through the video game. To them, rape is nothing more than a fantasy. If they couldn't satisfy these fantasy through a video game or some other source, they would probably just suppress it. They would never actually rape someone.

what was the point in that you've told me i'm wrong only to say that you aggree with my overall point?

You keep saying that rape games do prevent some people from raping.

So long as you keep saying that, I'm going to disagree for a valid reason.

Okay remind me which point it is then i'll make another point

What does that even mean?

I'm assuming you are asking me to point out why I disagree with your statement. If that's the case then you need to re-read my original response to you in this thread because it was about that exact topic.

 

[randommaster]

I need to show this to sisterblues on the "Penn against banning rape game thread."

If anybody has seen her outrage, you'll probably agree that she's going to pop a bloodvessel or something.

 

[Pimppeter2]

tsk tsk tsk

 

[wolfy098]

Sigh, why doesn't Japan just ban rape FULLSTOP!

sorry to say this but Japan has one of the lowest amount of rapes in any country because of these games...

American rapists rape people
Japanese rapists go out of their way not to and play rape games
we call this MORALS

First off, their is no actual research that proves the link between rape games and Japans low rape rate. Japans low rape rate could have more to do with their police force lacking resources and as a result more crimes go unreported.

Secondly, the idea that a rape game prevents rape is flawed. Someone who wants to rape someone would not be satisfied by a video game. Since everyone links sex to violence, I will do the same to prove my point. If rape games prevented rape, then murder games would prevent murder. By this logic, games like Postal stop people from actually going out and killing people. A murderer doesn't want to kill pixels, they want to kill humans. The same goes for a rapist.

Video games neither prevent nor cause crimes. Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?

your also curing my lack of ability to laugh at idiots who think everyone thinks like them

Excuse me, but why did you say this?

I did not insert my opinion on rape games in that post. All I said was that a rape game would not prevent the actual crime of rape.

If you disagree with this then explain why. I really don't see why you responded in such a rude manner.

ACTUALLY

I was commenting on your quote

"Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?"

so yes YOU can cure psycological problems with computer programs

That does not justify the comment you made.

Again, if you have a reason to disagree with what I said, then explain it.

okay I apologize I was in a bad mood

HOWEVER i maintain my point that we couldn't understand how a rapist thinks so we can't judge how they will act

What? That wasn't even your point. You said that computers can cure psychological issues.

Whatever, I'll address this new argument. While I certainly don't claim to know what a rapist thinks, it's safe to assume that if someone is a rapist they want to rape someone. That's why they are rapists. Rapists like to have a feeling of complete dominance over the person they are victimizing. They can't satisfy such a need with a game. They know that the only thing they have control over is a cluster of ones and zeros.

Again, it's like expecting a murderer to be satisfied with a violent video game. They have blood lust, and some red pixels flying out of a pedestrian on a TV screen would not make this psychological issue vanish.

...
...
Hmmmm
well murderers often only murder once
this is because they underestimated how much it would affect them mentally

Many potential murderers are put off this by video games
(speaking from experience)

so that is likely to be the same for potential rapists

 

[Internet Kraken]

Sigh, why doesn't Japan just ban rape FULLSTOP!

sorry to say this but Japan has one of the lowest amount of rapes in any country because of these games...

American rapists rape people
Japanese rapists go out of their way not to and play rape games
we call this MORALS

First off, their is no actual research that proves the link between rape games and Japans low rape rate. Japans low rape rate could have more to do with their police force lacking resources and as a result more crimes go unreported.

Secondly, the idea that a rape game prevents rape is flawed. Someone who wants to rape someone would not be satisfied by a video game. Since everyone links sex to violence, I will do the same to prove my point. If rape games prevented rape, then murder games would prevent murder. By this logic, games like Postal stop people from actually going out and killing people. A murderer doesn't want to kill pixels, they want to kill humans. The same goes for a rapist.

Video games neither prevent nor cause crimes. Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?

your also curing my lack of ability to laugh at idiots who think everyone thinks like them

Excuse me, but why did you say this?

I did not insert my opinion on rape games in that post. All I said was that a rape game would not prevent the actual crime of rape.

If you disagree with this then explain why. I really don't see why you responded in such a rude manner.

ACTUALLY

I was commenting on your quote

"Do you really think deep psychological issues can be cured by a computer program?"

so yes YOU can cure psycological problems with computer programs

That does not justify the comment you made.

Again, if you have a reason to disagree with what I said, then explain it.

okay I apologize I was in a bad mood

HOWEVER i maintain my point that we couldn't understand how a rapist thinks so we can't judge how they will act

What? That wasn't even your point. You said that computers can cure psychological issues.

Whatever, I'll address this new argument. While I certainly don't claim to know what a rapist thinks, it's safe to assume that if someone is a rapist they want to rape someone. That's why they are rapists. Rapists like to have a feeling of complete dominance over the person they are victimizing. They can't satisfy such a need with a game. They know that the only thing they have control over is a cluster of ones and zeros.

Again, it's like expecting a murderer to be satisfied with a violent video game. They have blood lust, and some red pixels flying out of a pedestrian on a TV screen would not make this psychological issue vanish.

...
...
Hmmmm
well murderers often only murder once
this is because they underestimated how much it would affect them mentally

Many potential murderers are put off this by video games
(speaking from experience)

so that is likely to be the same for potential rapists

Most murderers only murder once because they get thrown in jail. Many people commit murders more than once if they are not caught. Far more than the ones that stop killing or turn themselves in. someone doesn't just decide to get up and kill someone. They already had psychological issues before the killing.

You are not a potential murderer. If you had thoughts about killing, that's most likely just due to anger issues. Murderers are almost always people with psychological issues. These can not be cured by a video game, it's more complex than that. If you have any way to prove this statement then please provide it. All professional studies I have seen suggest that video games either inflict mental harm or have no effect. Not one has suggested that they can cure psychotics.

So you better provide proof for this statement to. A rapist would not be put off by a video game about rape. If they are, then they are not rapists.

 

[TruthMan]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

Giving you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts.

Woah man, calm the fuck down, just because this is a heated debate doesn't mean you have to get all logical and smart.

 

[Internet Kraken]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

 

[TruthMan]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

lol fine. im not even commenting on Japanese law cause i don't know it. however if you read the whole quote the first is about America being a hypocrite which would be pretty accurate.

 

[Internet Kraken]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

lol fine. im not even commenting on Japanese law cause i don't know it. however if you read the whole quote the first is about America being a hypocrite which would be pretty accurate.

I see what you're saying.

Now if a game was made about brutally slaughtering Mexicans for no reason, would people still say it is protected by the Constitution?

EDIT: For the record I am not calling for a ban of these games for a number of reasons. However, tighter regulation of this content would be good.

 

[TruthMan]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

lol fine. im not even commenting on Japanese law cause i don't know it. however if you read the whole quote the first is about America being a hypocrite which would be pretty accurate.

I see what you're saying.

Now if a game was made about brutally slaughtering Mexicans for no reason, would people still say it is protected by the Constitution?

EDIT: For the record I am not calling for a ban of these games for a number of reasons. However, tighter regulation of this content would be good.

Personally i think bans are just a good way of wasting money because we usually only ban things that are "bad" and the people that want them most likely don't have a respect for the law in the first place. honestly i don't know what your getting at

 

[GothmogII]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

lol fine. im not even commenting on Japanese law cause i don't know it. however if you read the whole quote the first is about America being a hypocrite which would be pretty accurate.

I see what you're saying.

Now if a game was made about brutally slaughtering Mexicans for no reason, would people still say it is protected by the Constitution?

EDIT: For the record I am not calling for a ban of these games for a number of reasons. However, tighter regulation of this content would be good.

Well not exactly that but what about that game released by the Ku Klux Klan: Ethnic Cleansing. I mean...if they couldn't ban that...

 

[MagnetoHydroDynamics]

Ok, So it's perfectly okay to be a virtual omnicidal mass murderer who use the blood of his victims as moisturizer, but not okay to be a virtual rapist?

W. T. F.

A contradiction? You bet.

 

[Internet Kraken]

You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

You don't even know what free speech means.

Free speech does not mean the freedom to say or express anything you want in any medium you want without repercussions.

Free speech means the ability to say stuff and accept the consequences for what you say if it isn't taken well. If the consequences include criminal charges, you accept it and move on. That's free speech.

NO JUST NO free speech is NOT being punished for expressing yourself and your opinion im not even gonna comment on the rape thing but maybe you should look into the founding of America a little more in England anyone who spoke out against the king was killed according to your definition that is free speech take a history class

I don't think the American view on freedom of speech would apply here, as the ban would have been made according to Japanese Law.

To my knowledge Japan already has some strict censorship policies regarding violence, so they can most likely ban a game anytime they want.

Also, please use periods. They make reading much easier.

lol fine. im not even commenting on Japanese law cause i don't know it. however if you read the whole quote the first is about America being a hypocrite which would be pretty accurate.

I see what you're saying.

Now if a game was made about brutally slaughtering Mexicans for no reason, would people still say it is protected by the Constitution?

EDIT: For the record I am not calling for a ban of these games for a number of reasons. However, tighter regulation of this content would be good.

Well not exactly that but what about that game released by the Ku Klux Klan: Ethnic Cleansing. I mean...if they couldn't ban that...

I've never heard of this game (probably for obvious reasons).

Was this game actually sold legally?