Ridiculously unfair stuff in multiplayer

[UltimaEX]

Dark souls isn't nearly as bad imho,
You just need to be able to surprise invaders.
Noone ever seems to expect a mage to weild a energybeam spewing greadsword in one hand.
Mwhahaha!

 

[Smooth Operator]

Competitive games with reliance on random chance and leveling.
Random chance just fucks up every tactic you can come up with, if action X does not result in Y then there is no reason to play skillfully.
And leveling up creates an exponential advantage for old players, not only have they honed their skill through hours of gameplay but they also get a power boost, what in the fuck are you devs thinking?!

 

[Ix Rebound]

Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.

just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA

 

[RedDeadFred]

The Sentinel in Nightfire. If it's in your hands, you will become a god. If it's in someone else's hands, you will curse the weapon and its incredible unfairness.

 

[Jailbird408]

Using Daybreak. On the angel. When he only just spawned five bleddy seconds ago.
Amirite? ...No-one? Nobody? Just me?
...
Y U NO PLAY KID ICARUS: UPRISING?!

 

[Corporal Yakob]

That the US and Russian air forces make you pay for your missiles and flares in Battlefield 3's aircraft, meaning that you will be blown out of the sky 9/10 within 10 seconds of taking off because for some retarded reason you're only allowed to take to the air with chainguns that can't hit a bloody thing!

That the Donner map in Day of Defeat Source is horribly broken for the German side, giving the Americans faster and easier access to all the objectives, better sniping spots and defensive positions and giving the Germans no chance whatsoever against a organised team with MGs!

That the MGO player base are genetically engineered super-humans who can line up and execute successful headshots faster then humans can blink!

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

Lets see there's:
WoW PvP - if your leveling in wow on a pvp server, good luck.

Highly subjective, that. Don't want to come off flame-y, but I think that after levelling a bunch of alts to 80 I can state I personally enjoyed the constant sense of danger whenever I met a horde character.

... I still parked my rogue with the express purpose of getting revenge on any lvl ?? ganking my alt whenever I was in STV, but that's another story.

On Topic: personally I always disliked the gigantic difficulty curve involved in CS:S. In order to start enjoying the game one has to resign himself to being a punch bag for the first two months.

I personally have two rules for these situations (when I'm the higher level character, obviously... otherwise, I don't get to make the rules). Firstly, if I'm somewhere they belong and I don't (as in, if I'm exploring their level 15 area at max level) they get a pass, whereas they won't be so lucky if they're somewhere they don't belong. Secondly? I never, ever, ever kill somebody more than twice unless they ask for it.

Repeatedly ganking someone lower level than you while they quest is just mean. And kinda useless. That said, using a non-damaging stun move to scare the crap out of them, and then doing nothing else, is hillarious... especially the pally one that makes 'em kneel before you.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

CoD Killstreaks. They're unfairness incarnate.

Winning? Here, take those toys! You clearly need them!

Losing? Shut up and take it while the big boys are having fun, noob... Here's a speed boost so you get killed more quickly. Stop wasting our time!

Yup, killstreaks. I only played MW2 but they were disgustingly obnoxious.

Wasteland. Pavelow. That is all.

The way to be good at the game at that point is quite literally not to play it. Hide in a house in the corner of the map for two minutes doing jack shit, and that way you don't feed the enemy any kills to unlock further killstreaks. Sound like fun?

"Enemy Harrier incoming!"

Cue entire team diving into the central bunker and running right into claymores, respawning outside and being butchered by the Harrier.

 

[Zukabazuka]

Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.

just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA

Tell me how does unlocking all the weapons gives the player a better chance of killing you? They don't buy skill and they still have to unlock all the scopes for every single weapon. You most likely have unlocked all weapon by now and you know more about the maps you play and combos for weapon that are good.

The dude who unlock them are still gonna have to get used to the weapons and actually aim with them. NO weapon give autoaim. This argument is soo silly to complain about, this is for the EA one the other is a bigger problem. Those buying the pack are actually the loser at this point because it doesn't take much time to unlock all of them.

About criticals hits in TF2 there was a huge difference how often it happen at launch and now. It happen far less in TF2 and not like every second rocket from Soldier.

Ah yes the USAS what power it did have in BF3 with those explosive rounds, now those things barely hurt people and they still complain about them? M26 on the other hand is far more powerful than USAS ever will be.

I would have to say Jets from BF2, nothing could stop them, the fact it took DICE 2 years before we actually got any kind of chance to take them out was ridiculous. By then they have bombed their image in to every BF2 player that jet maps will not be fun unless you have a good jet pilot on your team. Nothing says fun time when jet can bomb your silly spawn every 30 second, which is the time for your tank to spawn and you get in to it.

 

[Indecipherable]

Kabuto.

Seriously.

Of course it was purposefully designed that way, the multiplayer was team based where you would have one person as Kabuto and the other two races had numerous players working together to build bases and fight him while he rampaged around trying to get to his maximum size and killing you all.

Kabuto was so massive it rendered the game differently when you played as him and you were so enormous you could simply step on people and they died. You had attacks that just instantly kill anyone within melee range.

Seriously, the game was frickin awesome.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

CoD Killstreaks. They're unfairness incarnate.

Winning? Here, take those toys! You clearly need them!

Losing? Shut up and take it while the big boys are having fun, noob... Here's a speed boost so you get killed more quickly. Stop wasting our time!

Yup, killstreaks. I only played MW2 but they were disgustingly obnoxious.

Wasteland. Pavelow. That is all.

The way to be good at the game at that point is quite literally not to play it. Hide in a house in the corner of the map for two minutes doing jack shit, and that way you don't feed the enemy any kills to unlock further killstreaks. Sound like fun?

"Enemy Harrier incoming!"

Cue entire team diving into the central bunker and running right into claymores, respawning outside and being butchered by the Harrier.

Chopper Gunner. ALL the Chopper Gunner.
The worst part is I was THAT guy most of the time, I'm a good sniper in FPS' and MW2 was no exception, on Wasteland it would get obscene, the only thing I couldn't do was face more than 1 or 2 people in the tunnel at a time. Anything else anywhere else was game for a decent sniper. My run was always UAV, X, Chopper Gunner (X changed all the time, normally harriers though). So Wasteland would be me spamming Chopper Gunners. On the one hand, lololol dieeee. On the other hand it does feel bad, especially when you have a team with friends who keep the bunker clear, they have nowhere to go...Poor little ants.

But yeah killstreaks were horribly unbalanced, even on CoD4, haven't played MW3 though. Just...a reward is nice but it was so easy to get into chains with killstreaks and even when they didn't count towards the next one a good team would just have several rolling at a time and that puts too much pressure on a weak enemy, the game becomes a landslide.

 

[Ix Rebound]

Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.

just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA

Tell me how does unlocking all the weapons gives the player a better chance of killing you? They don't buy skill and they still have to unlock all the scopes for every single weapon. You most likely have unlocked all weapon by now and you know more about the maps you play and combos for weapon that are good.

The dude who unlock them are still gonna have to get used to the weapons and actually aim with them. NO weapon give autoaim. This argument is soo silly to complain about, this is for the EA one the other is a bigger problem. Those buying the pack are actually the loser at this point because it doesn't take much time to unlock all of them.

I'm not saying it make they have a better chance of killing you. I saying that the person who took the time to actually unlock the weapons or abilities, wouldn't have had to if they had just taken the easy way and payed for them. and the stuff you unlock is usually always better than the starer gear.
And besides YOUR the one who said the "premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win." which petty much negates your argument, as premium content is almost the same thing as DLC content.

 

[crazyarms33]

Noshahr canals on Battlefield 3.

If you're on the side that spawns on the carrier then prepare to have a whale of time trying to even make it to the docks as you're being sniped by soldiers, a tank or two and there's an enemy helicopter spawncamping and blowing up your helicopters. What do you do if your helicopters get destroyed?

....You take a boat. A little shitty thing that's just begging for a tank to blow it out of the water provided one of the snipers don't headshot your as you're driving it.

Very unbalanced map is basically what I'm getting at.

So much this! So so soooooooooo much this! I hate it when I log in to a server and its my first game and its this effing map.

Also in shooters in general I LOATHE quick scoping. I hate it with the passion of a thousand suns.

EDIT: Also on the BF3 front...the damned auto shotguns with the frag grenade rounds. Seriously. Fuck those things. From across the map you can lob a grenade with pinpoint accuracy? GTFO.

 

[EHKOS]

The cloaking power in Crysis 2 MP. Gosh that just pisses me off so much.

 

[King of Asgaard]

So just a little topic, ever had any insanely unfair games/sessions/team compositions etc etc over the course of your gaming career?

For me it's got to be the Invasion system in Dark Souls 60% of the time. Basically you use an item and you enter a random person's game world and try to murder the fuck out of him for lolz. You only invade upwards level-wise though so you're always supposed to be roundabout the same level as the guy you're invading

People start to abuse the leveling system by not leveling at all and getting end-game equipment (through glitches, getting gifted it or just beating the bosses) to absolutely destroy the newer players they just get matched with. Basically after just about failing a legit Invasion of mine (at level 6 with base eqiupment, naturally) I was then set upon by this guy with the most obcene set of end-game equipment i have ever seen.

Waved at him then quit to dashboard. Not losing my Humanity over such bullshit, and to be honest killing some random noob and taking their probably only Humanity, gains you fuck all and you've just ruined some guy's day...

Another problem comes in from people summoning other people to help fight you off, that on its own is fine, the host has to do whatever it takes to live because you're just waltzing into his game session and trying to ruin potentially hours of progress. But when are actually people summoning guys in advance to wait for your supposedly "random" invade and then ambushing you it starts to seem a bit broken.



Oh, and the Red Soapstone is a joke, never use it. It's meant to be a fair fight where you put your summons down, the guy takes you up on the challenge and you fight to the death. Instead he summons a fuckton of guys, summons you and they all just spawn kill you.

You neglected to mention the final nail in Dark Souls' PVP, the lagstabs.
This doesn't affect co-op or PVE, but in PVP, lag is what really kills the competition, and turns what should be an exhilarating aspect of combat into a frustrating mess. It's why I don't partake of the PVP scene anymore.
If I could only count the number of times I lost a fuck-ton of loot to a random invader teleporting behind me...

Yeah, those guys suck.

Best tip I have is to simply stay hollowed and only return to human form for boss battles until you're a higher level.

This would work if you know the areas well, but for a new player, getting through some areas (Tomb of Giants, I'm looking at you) is quite a challenge.
My strategy is to bank all, or most, of my souls and humanity and un-hollow.
If you find someone to help out, it's much easier to fend off invaders.
Worst case, you die and lose the humanity you spent to un-hollow.
Best case, you kick the crap out of the invader and get some bonus loot.

 

[Anthony Wells]

i love everyone complaining about the killstreaks in modernwarfare 2 when coldblooded pro easily renders them all useless against you. and with a stinger most fall instantly afterwards...am i the only one that played stratigically like that i wonder?


OT: random crits for Saxton hale in the saxton hale mod for tf2. those coupled with his super long fucking range just kill that game mode for me and my demoknight strategy. "oh you got 4 heads, overheal, and ali baba's wee booties? here have a random crit that kills in one hit no matter how overhealed any class is" such bullshit that is.....

 

[Chairman Miaow]

In Guild Wars PVP we had a deathmatch with a team of 8 Retribution/Healing spec monks. That match just lasted forever, and we couldn't deal any damage to them. They slowly chipped us down, but no matter what we did, they just wouldn't die.

 

[distortedreality]

i love everyone complaining about the killstreaks in modernwarfare 2 when coldblooded pro easily renders them all useless against you. and with a stinger most fall instantly afterwards

I think the problem with killstreaks in CoD is that they're giving a team (or player) that's already doing well an added advantage that they obviously don't need and only serves to further fuck up the balance of the game. The fact that they're counterable is sort of besides the point, in my mind at least.

I'm with you in that as soon as I get perks that invalidate killstreaks I use them, but that doesn't change the underlying problem with them.

 

[Blights]

In the recent Guild Wars 2 beta, Thieves.

They had too much utility, it was ridiculous, since you can't break a thief that's in stealth back out of it. And, in downed state, they had an ability named "smoke bomb", it teleported them randomly a slight distance away and stealth them for a few seconds, which meant in team fights, as long as they had a distraction nearby, they didn't die and the teleport could also bring them through walls, and up stairs.

 

[arnoldthebird]

In the hands of a pro, the Sniper Rifle in Halo. If you don't have anything to at least harass him with, you're dead.

That gun....it would rip apart everything.
I used to love playing Blood Gulch, but if there was a good sniper he would lop off your head EVERY time. Even more annoying if they shoot the driver of your Warthog

OT: The AKS74U from Black Ops was very over powered, and the FMG69 or whatever it is from MW3. There are plenty of unfair thing's, but CoD tends to top the list because if a gun is nerfed, it becomes utterly useless. Considering the amount of CoD players, the lack of balance is surprising