Say hello to the new Iron Woman

[EternallyBored]

A company that caters to a dying medium courts controversy in an attempt to further delay the inevitable. In other news, water is wet.

This probably would have been better received if it was Pepper Potts instead. Not only is she a well-established female character, but she's also skilled at using such suits as Rescue. Plus, her MCU iteration is hawt.

Rawr.​

One difference, she's not replacing Iron Man on the adult teams as far as I know, they seem to be setting her up to join the younger group that's been getting set up, at least eventually, after Civil War II at the latest.

Which disqualifies Pepper as she's an adult. It would be weird to form a super team with Miles Morales, Kamala Khan, Amadeus, and Vic, and then try to include Pepper Potts who's 20 years older than all of them.

The "she's the new Iron Man" stuff seems to be a publicity stunt meant to rile up people that aren't reading the comics, the comics themselves are setting her up as a new addition to the Iron Man group a la Rescue and War Machine, especially since War Machine just recently died. Tony himself isn't going anywhere, his arc seems to be mostly just him giving up the suit for a little bit for character focused stories, to get his shit straightened out after losing most of his company, duking it out and making up with Spiderman, finding out his family isn't what he thought it was, and spending an extended period of time being an evil psychopath that held an entire city hostage with super addictive nanomachine drugs. It's not like he's giving her Stark Industries and all his tech, likely just giving her enough to fix her suit so she can participate in the current event and then team up with the teen characters afterwards.

Although, yes, MCU Pepper is indeed still hot as hell, I'll give you that.

 

[Bobular]

You know a woman being Ironman actually is a pretty great idea. Bear with me for a moment.

It's great for hiding a secret identity. People in universe would assume the new Iron Man is a man, even if it's not Tony Stark. The suit can change the voice and there's no reason why the armour would have to appear feminine if piloted by a woman.

I actually quite like that idea, go all Samus on people.

Only issues I have is:

1) The usual would prefer they made a new character rather than piggy back on an existing character. Could be exactly the same as it currently is, just give her a more original name than Iron Woman. I have nothing against them making a clearly Iron Man inspired character as long as the story is taken in a new unique direction and they don't actually 'replace' an existing character.

2) That hair. I can not imagine getting all that hair into a helmet and still being able to see. Imagine the shots of her inside the suit like you get with Tony, hows that going to work? How do people with that sort of hairstyle ware helmets in real life?

3) Is Riri a name? I didn't think so, so I typed it into google and the only thing that seems to come up is news articles about the new Iron Woman so I'm thinking its not a real name but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Jux]

As much as I'm liking the more diverse cast, let's get more diverse writers and artists too.

As long as we're not hiring them solely for their skin color. Because that's still racism, and we don't want to be racist in any direction, right?

...Right?

Is this supposed to be some sort of 'gotchya'? Duh, the artists and writers should know what they're doing. That said, having a diverse writing and artist crew will allow for a more varied set of viewpoints (different lived experiences) for the characters to express themselves through, which should make for better comics.

 

[Jux]

Except, we already have a "Black Iron Man" (he's called War Machine, aka James Rhodes [http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/26/War_Machine.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20151126025645]), AND we already have a "Female Iron Man" (that'd be Rescue, alias Virginia "Pepper" Potts [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/93/Rescue_Earth-616.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110228202850]).

Uhh... you haven't been keeping up if you think Rhodes is still War Machine.

 

[Neverhoodian]

Snip

Interesting. It does make more sense when you put it that way. I don't usually read superhero comics, so I'm out of the loop on recent events. As you pointed out, this is making headlines partly for that reason.

As an aside, that's quite the recap for Tony Stark's recent escapades. Good to know things are as batshit crazy as ever in Marvel comic-land.

 

[Leg End]

Is this supposed to be some sort of 'gotchya'? Duh, the artists and writers should know what they're doing. That said, having a diverse writing and artist crew will allow for a more varied set of viewpoints (different lived experiences) for the characters to express themselves through, which should make for better comics.

I dunno. We're at the point again where your race/skin color is a determining factor, which is where we were to begin with.

Skin color isn't an indicator of the experiences of a person.

 

[votemarvel]

The what worried me was at the end of the article "her brain is maybe a little better than his."

And Miles and Silk both had better power-sets than Peter. Jane Foster can use her powers in ways that the original Thor never could.

So the issue for me is that we are getting legacy characters who can instantly do things better than their predecessors without having to earn that.

 

[Jux]

I dunno. We're at the point again where your race/skin color is a determining factor, which is where we were to begin with.

Skin color isn't an indicator of the experiences of a person.

I'd say it affects the likelihood of having certain experiences. Growing up white in the US, I've never experienced institutional racism, so if I were to write from the perspective of a black character, any portrayal of being subjected to such a thing wouldn't carry the same weight. I wouldn't be writing from a place of personal knowledge, so I'd likely be lacking the perspective needed to make it feel real.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

... yo, why's Misty Knight now Iron Man? And grew her arm back?

 

[Leg End]

I'd say it affects the likelihood of having certain experiences.

Not... really, unless we're actually getting back to some stereotypes.

Growing up white in the US, I've never experienced institutional racism, so if I were to write from the perspective of a black character, any portrayal of being subjected to such a thing wouldn't carry the same weight. I wouldn't be writing from a place of personal knowledge, so I'd likely be lacking the perspective needed to make it feel real.

So you're saying as a Latino I can't write a black character or a white character(which are about 90% of my characters) convincingly because I'm not either race?

But I can write a Latino with weight because I'm drawing from some place of "personal knowledge" that I inherently have because I'm Latino?

You just said it affected likelihood but then say it's an absolute.

 

[Jux]

I'd say it affects the likelihood of having certain experiences.

Not... really, unless we're actually getting back to some stereotypes.

I disagree, as evidenced by the next part that you quote.

Growing up white in the US, I've never experienced institutional racism, so if I were to write from the perspective of a black character, any portrayal of being subjected to such a thing wouldn't carry the same weight. I wouldn't be writing from a place of personal knowledge, so I'd likely be lacking the perspective needed to make it feel real.

So you're saying as a Latino I can't write a black character or a white character(which are about 90% of my characters) convincingly because I'm not either race?

Did I say that? Or is that just you reading what you want to see?

But I can write a Latino with weight because I'm drawing from some place of "personal knowledge" that I inherently have because I'm Latino?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had 'inherent' knowledge due to racial background. I said that people may be more likely to have certain life experiences due to their racial background.

You just said it affected likelihood but then say it's an absolute.

I said it increases the likelihood of having certain life experiences. What I think is absolute is that people with life experiences have an edge in conveying them through fiction prose. Not that they're the best, or that others can't do it passingly, but I feel personal experience isn't something that can be perfectly fabricated.

I hope this clears everything up

 

[sky14kemea]

testing

What are we testing?

 

[Leg End]

Did I say that? Or is that just you reading what you want to see?

Think I read too fast on that one but on a reread, the point basically stands because

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had 'inherent' knowledge due to racial background. I said that people may be more likely to have certain life experiences due to their racial background.

when you just said

I wouldn't be writing from a place of personal knowledge, so I'd likely be lacking the perspective needed to make it feel real.

With a bit of implication that a black person can inherently do so, or at least a far higher chance of such.

I said it increases the likelihood of having certain life experiences. What I think is absolute is that people with life experiences have an edge in conveying them through fiction. Not that they're the best, or that others can't do it passingly, but I feel personal experience isn't something that can be perfectly fabricated.

Which basically makes sense. Apologies if this really sounds like rambling because I think 5AM does things to my brain.

I hope this clears everything up

I suppose it does but from all of this, I don't get how you say an afro of all things is a racial stereotype.

 

[Jux]

With a bit of implication that a black person can inherently do so, or at least a far higher chance of such.

Why yes, I do think a black person in the US would have a higher chance of having experienced institutional racism, and thus have the personal experience that would allow them to portray it more accurately. I'm not exactly sure why you take issue with this?

I suppose it does but from all of this, I don't get how you say an afro of all things is a racial stereotype.

I think you have me mistaken for someone else in the thread, I haven't made any comments about afros.

 

[Leg End]

With a bit of implication that a black person can inherently do so, or at least a far higher chance of such.

Why yes, I do think a black person in the US would have a higher chance of having experienced institutional racism, and thus have the personal experience that would allow them to portray it more accurately. I'm not exactly sure why you take issue with this?

My issue is wording but that leads into this next part.

I think you have me mistaken for someone else in the thread, I haven't made any comments about afros.

Many apologies, I have confused Silent's statement with yours and clearly I've been up too long. Disregard my comments, I am durr.

 

[The Lunatic]

Kinda an odd hairstyle for somebody who wears a helmet all the time.

 

[ErrrorWayz]

I'm a bit annoyed she's not a lesbian. Or maybe she is?

 

[The Lunatic]

I'm a bit annoyed she's not a lesbian. Or maybe she is?

Perhaps she's an Agendered Rainbowqueer.

Anything is possible at this stage.

 

[ErrrorWayz]

I'm a bit annoyed she's not a lesbian. Or maybe she is?

Perhaps she's an Agendered Rainbowqueer.

Anything is possible at this stage.

I guess learning difficulties were out due to the genius thing but they could have put her in a wheelchair and adapted the suit.

It's sickening how bigoted comics are these days.

Edit - She is a Buddist right or maybe a Muslim? I mean that goes without saying?

 

[Jux]

My issue is wording but that leads into this next part.

Well, I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you're taking issue with. Maybe we can continue this when you're not tired? I have to get some work done anyway.