Say hello to the new Iron Woman

[Johnny Novgorod]

Is it just me or are they race and gender swapping everyone now. Seem more like pandering then trying to make interesting stories.

In this issue, Captain America is now Captain Nazi! In this issue, Iron Man is now Iron Lady! And so on.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

> even more resourceful than Stark himself

>college student

>somehow fit a workshop into a dorm room

>somehow afford a workshop instead of scrimping for ramen money

>roommate doesn't scream at her for littering and noise

>the college doesn't sue her for stealing whatever limited magic dust they use for power

She'd have to be more resourceful than a billionaire with multiple security clearances, yeah.

Also not mentioned, Tony's narcissism, OCD and alcoholism that drove the people closest to him away (reminder that Pepper eventually chose Happy). But women are perfect with no character flaws, amirite?

Seriously though, She's a 15 year old going to a top college in her field, can make a robot suit out of crap that's just laying around and she has to steal to get the resources?? The frick did the school bring in the 15 year old genius to do if not to give her crap to build things like this? If she's not going to utilize the huge advantage that going to a university like that at her age what's the point of adding that to her character? Why not just have her be in high school, start sneaking into the college to building the thing, and then get drafted to Stark University or something?

Heck, Doctor Doom did the same thing! Victor was given resources to make US patents before he blew up his face and a wing of the school.

Amadeus Cho was living on the lam because his parents were killed by people trying to track him down. One of his things is that he doesn't trust anybody and needed a father figure in Hulk or Hercules.

Riri is given resources, yet is still artificially oppressed in this narrative so they can make a statement about a black girl who overcomes. The fact that she stole pieces of other peoples' projects to make her brilliant invention makes her less sympathetic than the Romani polymath or the Korean math genius who got in trouble for hacking government codes.

Also, what the heck is wrong with that drawing style? It's like they ripped some models from IMVU and put the XIII videogame shader over them. I don't like it, it looks cheap as crap. Also, Riri does NOT look like a frigging teenager.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Uuuhhh.

You know at this point the obvious panda-throwing to Tumblr in a desperate effort not to be trending the next day on Twitter is getting kinda' old. And the worst part is none of the people they're trying to appeal don't actually read comics. Otherwise they'd know comic continuity and characters are about as solid and consistent as gender-fluid water.

I mean look what happened when they pulled that 'female Thor' shenanigans. Nothing. Nothing happened. Talk show hosts gabbed for a day and a half, no one read the comics, and then it turns out she's not really Thor.

Though I guess we should be glad she's not a dog to appeal to the PETA people again. Woof.

Also how is the fact they gave her an afro not racist? That's African America caricature shit.

Female Thor's been selling quite well. I'd say people did read the book.

Female Thor's been selling quite well. I'd say people did read the book.

Yup, Thor, Monstress, The Vision, and pretty much everything Star Wars are all pick ups for me.

The comic with a Copy Pasted Thor head and Loki as Donald Trump is selling well?

Freaking A.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I can't wait for people to lose their shit over this. Anyone can wear the suit though. But there's still only one Tony Stark.

This thread is a goldmine. Apparently, Riri is a racist caricature of a Mary Sue that's poorly written that's pandering to people who don't even read comics and is dooming Marvel as we speak.

Far as I know she hasn't been in a comic yet. It's glorious.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Actually, I just remembered something. This character is completely unecessasry because WE ALREADY HAD THIS FRIGGING CHARACTER, AND SHE WAS DONE BETTER!

So, to reiterate,

>Marvel already had this type of character

>character could have EASILY fit in better than Riri

>Bendis chooses to ignore canon so he can shoehorn in another OC that will disappear after this storyline is over

 

[McMarbles]

Eh, I'm not sure I'd agree, the vast majority of comic book characters have enough flaws not to fit into the definition of a Sue/Stu.

Literally all we know about this new character is that shes a smart young black woman. If he can label her a mary sue based on that, you can just as easily apply the label wholesale.

Well, a lot of people seem to define "Mary Sue" as "any prominent halfway-competent female character" (c.f. Rey) so I guess by that definition, yes!

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

I can't wait for people to lose their shit over this. Anyone can wear the suit though. But there's still only one Tony Stark.

This thread is a goldmine. Apparently, Riri is a racist caricature of a Mary Sue that's poorly written that's pandering to people who don't even read comics and is dooming Marvel as we speak.

Far as I know she hasn't been in a comic yet. It's glorious.

She's actually been in the more recent Iron man comics. Thanks for proving the "people who don't read comics" part though!

As for my proof,

http://imgur.com/a/cE1If

(This page is already kind of IMG heavy. Just gonna leave a link to a bunch of pages.)

Also, Holy crap this art

That's just photos of the actual location with digital effects smeared on..

And they literally took a sceencap of the Movie Iron Man suit and chopped off a few parts to make it look like it was still being built

And look at the way all that scrap is perfectly aligned in the weirdest way. It looks like its all floating in space.

AND WHAT THE HECK IS WITH THESE FACES AND POSES?!

They are clearly just tracing over CGI models for crap's sake!

Wait, that armor's head...DID THEY TRACE OPTIMUS PRIME?!

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Actually, I just remembered something. This character is completely unecessasry because WE ALREADY HAD THIS FRIGGING CHARACTER, AND SHE WAS DONE BETTER!
...
>character could have EASILY fit in better than Riri

Okay, stop. How could you possibly know this? Are you some kind of time traveler? Are you using this precious time travel technology to try and warn us about some butterfly effect shit where Riri being used as an Iron Man protege leads to some horrendous future tragedy?

Or could it just possibly be that there could be two very intelligent, tech invoked black ladies in the Marvel universe? I mean Christ, it could just be that Lila has no talent/interest in combat. *Gasp* They might even interact!
EDIT: alright, figured from the article that this was a couple months off yet. Still, looks good to me. Suit reminds me of Optimus Prime for some reason, I'll have to look at picking this up.

 

[Fappy]

I really wish this stuff stayed in the comic book fandom like it used to. Now everyone thinks they have a dog in the fight when they really don't give a damn about the actual comic... they're just in it to win political points.

Iron Man being a woman is not a new concept nor should it be controversial for any reason at all. The only thing that annoys me is that it's not Pepper Potts. She has extensive experience using Iron Man suits (she had her own for years) and she's a fucking bad ass. I'd read a solo Pepper Iron Man book (never liked the name 'Rescue' though) in a heartbeat.

EDIT: Btw, someone call me when the Bendis era is finally over. He's been running Marvel's storytelling into the ground since 2005.

 

[Catnip1024]

Marvel has tons of street level heroes who display nothing in the way of superscience intellect, but if you want to have someone hang with global and cosmic level heroes, "crude" isn't going to cut it. That's why she is at that level, because she is supposed to be hanging with the other high level teen heroes, the ones that can casually blow up city blocks, and go toe-to-toe with the adult heroes. You can't have a temporary Iron Man stand in subbing for street level heroics, if she was completely disconnected from Iron Man it may work, but Marvel already has tons of low level teams with street smarts and low tech armor. She wouldn't be able to team up with Ms. Marvel and the Miles Morales Spider-man if all she had was a crude Iron Man knockoff.

Especially with Civil War II which seems to be setting up the younger heroes as potentially giving the adult heroes the middle finger and ignoring their infighting to go form their own hero team, hopefully with Blackjack, and hookers.

Marvel science is fucked up, casual high school science fair projects include things like super efficient energy reactors, and building a controllable flying water bubble for a shark to ride around in. That's the kind of stuff teenagers build in the Marvel universe just to get into a good college.

To be fair, I've never seen why Iron Man is such a big deal himself (not having read the comics, I admit). He's a guy with (by and large) conventional weaponry, albeit attached to his body, in a bit of armour. Which makes him... a slightly more manoeuvrable tank? When you compare it to some of the other superheroes, it seems a little on the tame side.

Out of interest, anyone know why she appears to be wearing the reactor while she is outside of the suit? Because while there's a valid reason for Tony Stark to do it, it seems a little silly for her to have it there without any proper need...

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Actually, I just remembered something. This character is completely unecessasry because WE ALREADY HAD THIS FRIGGING CHARACTER, AND SHE WAS DONE BETTER!
...
>character could have EASILY fit in better than Riri

Okay, stop. How could you possibly know this? Are you some kind of time traveler? Are you using this precious time travel technology to try and warn us about some butterfly effect shit where Riri being used as an Iron Man protege leads to some horrendous future tragedy?

Or could it just possibly be that there could be two very intelligent, tech invoked black ladies in the Marvel universe? I mean Christ, it could just be that Lila has no talent/interest in combat. *Gasp* They might even interact!

Pattern recognition mostly. You can blame Fem Thor for this. Thor loses his hammer, and who gets to claim it? Sif? No. Valkyrie? No. It instead goes to Jane Foster who is using the hammer to stave off her cancer, even though she could've been CURED ENTIRELY before and she turned it down because "magic has a cost". Two established and worthy characters passed over for someone who's basically a massive hypocrite at this point.

And now here we have a character who's already well established, is familiar with the Iron Man Armor, and could actually work pretty well for an actual legacy, and she gets passed over for someone who's backstory is essentially a less sympathetic version of Dr. Doom's.

As for "Perhaps the characters will interact!" I REALLY doubt Bendis is even aware Lila even exists.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Actually, I just remembered something. This character is completely unecessasry because WE ALREADY HAD THIS FRIGGING CHARACTER, AND SHE WAS DONE BETTER!
...
>character could have EASILY fit in better than Riri

Okay, stop. How could you possibly know this? Are you some kind of time traveler? Are you using this precious time travel technology to try and warn us about some butterfly effect shit where Riri being used as an Iron Man protege leads to some horrendous future tragedy?

Or could it just possibly be that there could be two very intelligent, tech invoked black ladies in the Marvel universe? I mean Christ, it could just be that Lila has no talent/interest in combat. *Gasp* They might even interact!

Pattern recognition mostly. You can blame Fem Thor for this. Thor loses his hammer, and who gets to claim it? Sif? No. Valkyrie? No. It instead goes to Jane Foster who is using the hammer to stave off her cancer, even though she could've been CURED ENTIRELY before and she turned it down because "magic has a cost". Two established and worthy characters passed over for someone who's basically a massive hypocrite at this point.

And now here we have a character who's already well established, is familiar with the Iron Man Armor, and could actually work pretty well for an actual legacy, and she gets passed over for someone who's backstory is essentially a less sympathetic version of Dr. Doom's.

As for "Perhaps the characters will interact!" I REALLY doubt Bendis is even aware Lila even exists.

Well, okay. As long as you don't make a habit of accusing others they're hypersensitive and jumping to conclusions.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

To be fair, I've never seen why Iron Man is such a big deal himself (not having read the comics, I admit). He's a guy with (by and large) conventional weaponry, albeit attached to his body, in a bit of armour. Which makes him... a slightly more manoeuvrable tank? When you compare it to some of the other superheroes, it seems a little on the tame side.

Slightly more maneuverable...the dude can fly like a freaking fighter jet, and you call that "Slightly more maneuverable"!? Not to mention all the various crazy crap those suits of his can do! One of them is basically the T-1000 from Terminator 2!

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Actually, I just remembered something. This character is completely unecessasry because WE ALREADY HAD THIS FRIGGING CHARACTER, AND SHE WAS DONE BETTER!
...
>character could have EASILY fit in better than Riri

Okay, stop. How could you possibly know this? Are you some kind of time traveler? Are you using this precious time travel technology to try and warn us about some butterfly effect shit where Riri being used as an Iron Man protege leads to some horrendous future tragedy?

Or could it just possibly be that there could be two very intelligent, tech invoked black ladies in the Marvel universe? I mean Christ, it could just be that Lila has no talent/interest in combat. *Gasp* They might even interact!

Pattern recognition mostly. You can blame Fem Thor for this. Thor loses his hammer, and who gets to claim it? Sif? No. Valkyrie? No. It instead goes to Jane Foster who is using the hammer to stave off her cancer, even though she could've been CURED ENTIRELY before and she turned it down because "magic has a cost". Two established and worthy characters passed over for someone who's basically a massive hypocrite at this point.

And now here we have a character who's already well established, is familiar with the Iron Man Armor, and could actually work pretty well for an actual legacy, and she gets passed over for someone who's backstory is essentially a less sympathetic version of Dr. Doom's.

As for "Perhaps the characters will interact!" I REALLY doubt Bendis is even aware Lila even exists.

Well, okay. As long as you don't make a habit of accusing others they're hypersensitive and jumping to conclusions.

Hey, after what they did to Iceman, there's no such thing as jumping to conclusions with Marvel these days.

 

[anthony87]

So like....does this mean that comics under the name "Iron Man" won't be around then?

 

[EternallyBored]

Marvel has tons of street level heroes who display nothing in the way of superscience intellect, but if you want to have someone hang with global and cosmic level heroes, "crude" isn't going to cut it. That's why she is at that level, because she is supposed to be hanging with the other high level teen heroes, the ones that can casually blow up city blocks, and go toe-to-toe with the adult heroes. You can't have a temporary Iron Man stand in subbing for street level heroics, if she was completely disconnected from Iron Man it may work, but Marvel already has tons of low level teams with street smarts and low tech armor. She wouldn't be able to team up with Ms. Marvel and the Miles Morales Spider-man if all she had was a crude Iron Man knockoff.

Especially with Civil War II which seems to be setting up the younger heroes as potentially giving the adult heroes the middle finger and ignoring their infighting to go form their own hero team, hopefully with Blackjack, and hookers.

Marvel science is fucked up, casual high school science fair projects include things like super efficient energy reactors, and building a controllable flying water bubble for a shark to ride around in. That's the kind of stuff teenagers build in the Marvel universe just to get into a good college.

To be fair, I've never seen why Iron Man is such a big deal himself (not having read the comics, I admit). He's a guy with (by and large) conventional weaponry, albeit attached to his body, in a bit of armour. Which makes him... a slightly more manoeuvrable tank? When you compare it to some of the other superheroes, it seems a little on the tame side.

Out of interest, anyone know why she appears to be wearing the reactor while she is outside of the suit? Because while there's a valid reason for Tony Stark to do it, it seems a little silly for her to have it there without any proper need...

Tony hasn't needed the reactor in a long time in the comics, the visual change was because of the movie making it iconic again, so basically they both have it because movie Iron Man has it.

As for the Iron Man suit(s}, they haven't been conventional for decades. Tony's high end suits are literally nano-machine constructs that live inside his body and form his suit just by thinking about it. At the high end, his suits can launch an inexhaustible supply of missiles that range from normal missiles to WMD level destruction, fly into space, and launch energy blasts that can hurt high level entities. Among other things, he has internal nanomachines that make him super fast and able to think like a machine, as well as giving him regeneration on par with some mutants.

Iron Man has been basically running on Bullshit superscience for awhile now, some writers are worse with this than others, the highest end basically involves Tony treating his suits like Adam West Batman utility belts that he can just pull any weapon or power he wants to from them.

Actually, compared to current Iron Man, the suit that Riri (the new character) made, is actually a lot closer to what you were describing you wanted, it looks bulky and not nearly as agile, and breaks the first time she uses it. Compared to Iron Man's current armors, her suit is more like the movie Iron Man suits on capability level than it is the comics version of Iron Man.

EDIT:

I haven't seen it really linked yet, so here it is for comparison, Riri's suit versus Tony's current armor.

Spoiler: Riri's Iron man knockoff

Like someone said, kind of looks like Optimus Prime, or a suit of Fallout power armor

Spoiler: Tony's current armor

 

[Lupine]

I eagerly await the storm of angry comments about how this is PC gone mad and Iron Man is perfect the way he is and anyway Man is in his name so how can he possibly be a woman.

Did I say "eagerly"? Oh. I meant "disappointingly".

The hilarious thing about that Iron Man is perfect the way he is, is that Tony was never like this until post RDJ Iron Man. Tony pre-movie was a rather different character. He could be arrogant yeah, but nothing like post movie. He also wasn't exactly jokey. But otherwise I agree with you. This had Internet overreaction/freakout written all over it. Especially while everyone pretends that this isn't something that Marvel does every years at this point. Oh and that they are too afraid to just go full DC and have a reboot.

I really wish this stuff stayed in the comic book fandom like it used to. Now everyone thinks they have a dog in the fight when they really don't give a damn about the actual comic... they're just in it to win political points.

Iron Man being a woman is not a new concept nor should it be controversial for any reason at all. The only thing that annoys me is that it's not Pepper Potts. She has extensive experience using Iron Man suits (she had her own for years) and she's a fucking bad ass. I'd read a solo Pepper Iron Man book (never liked the name 'Rescue' though) in a heartbeat.

EDIT: Btw, someone call me when the Bendis era is finally over. He's been running Marvel's storytelling into the ground since 2005.

You sir, are my spirit animal. I don't think I've ever agreed with anything more in my life. And it is always people that obviously don't read comics that are the loudest about this stuff. And I mean either side of the argument, of for or against. And it is always the against guys that don't get the statement "Marvel does this stuff all the time." If I got a buck every time a mantle was passed around for a few arcs I'd be Tony Stark rich.

 

[happyninja42]

To be fair, I've never seen why Iron Man is such a big deal himself (not having read the comics, I admit). He's a guy with (by and large) conventional weaponry, albeit attached to his body, in a bit of armour. Which makes him... a slightly more manoeuvrable tank? When you compare it to some of the other superheroes, it seems a little on the tame side.

Pretty sure it's the Batman Effect. Regular Dude is able to go toe to toe with the Big Boys, due to his intellect and creativity...and a massive, bottomless bank account to fund all the shit he needs to actually compensate for being a regular human. The power fantasy of most nerds, that their intellect can literally make them a superhero. It's the Everyman scenario, sort of the same with why people like Ghostbusters so much. The idea that anybody off the street, with a little training and some equipment, can literally defeat the undead, and tell an ancient god to go fuck off, 'cause this is how we do things downtown!

That's why, I think, he's popular. That and the movies galvanizing him back into the public mindset revitalizing the series.

 

[Fappy]

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Why did both of you attribute this quote to me???

Weird.

 

[Areloch]

Uuuhhh.

You know at this point the obvious panda-throwing to Tumblr in a desperate effort not to be trending the next day on Twitter is getting kinda' old. And the worst part is none of the people they're trying to appeal don't actually read comics. Otherwise they'd know comic continuity and characters are about as solid and consistent as gender-fluid water.

I mean look what happened when they pulled that 'female Thor' shenanigans. Nothing. Nothing happened. Talk show hosts gabbed for a day and a half, no one read the comics, and then it turns out she's not really Thor.

Though I guess we should be glad she's not a dog to appeal to the PETA people again. Woof.

Also how is the fact they gave her an afro not racist? That's African America caricature shit.

Female Thor's been selling quite well. I'd say people did read the book.

Female Thor's been selling quite well. I'd say people did read the book.

Yup, Thor, Monstress, The Vision, and pretty much everything Star Wars are all pick ups for me.

The comic with a Copy Pasted Thor head and Loki as Donald Trump is selling well?

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Freaking A.

So, how many super villians have been rewritten to basically be Trump at this point? Is it all of them? It's beginning to feel a lot like all of them.