Scott Cawthon (FNaF guy) cancelled

[CriticalGaming]

"Personally I think this sort of streaming doesn't really belong on Twitch"

That kind of content doesn't belong on Twitch, neither does XQC and Trainwrex with that fucking gambling bullshit. Why are you extrapolating?

Change the content of the stream and it's fine. I have never said they should be outright banned if they were willing to stream within ToS.

So, you're really mad that the FNaF guy...retired and is still getting paid for games he made?

Only after doxxing and harassment pressured him to do so. Seems to me like he just said "fuck it" and walked away because it's easier than dealing with the hate mob. Which is fine, but it isn't an issue that should have ever happened in the first place.

 

[Buyetyen]

You can't give a shit about literally everything.

That's a bad excuse for giving a shit about nothing.

So do Democrats...


SO DO DEMOCRATS!!!


When that medical for all coming...? What is Biden currently working on that will ensure every American has healthcare in a pandemic?

If you sincerely believe that the Dems are just as bad as the Repubs, you're not paying attention.

You can get mad at the things that do a lot of harm and not get mad at minor issues. People are getting mad at minor fucking issues that is completely unreasonable to expect others to concern themselves about. Like if co-workers want to get lunch and you're like I can't go to Wendy's or all these other places because they donated to republicans or democrats, looks like you ain't getting lunch with your co-workers then. It's enough to get everyone agree with where to go just based on the food itself let alone this social justice warrior bullshit.

What makes you so goddamn special that you get to decide for everybody else what is and is not important to them?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

That kind of content doesn't belong on Twitch, neither does XQC and Trainwrex with that fucking gambling bullshit. Why are you extrapolating?

Change the content of the stream and it's fine. I have never said they should be outright banned if they were willing to stream within ToS.

It *wasn't* breaking the ToS until a bunch of puritans hounded Twitch into changing the rules. You constantly get annoyed at people who stream the wrong way

Only after doxxing and harassment pressured him to do so. Seems to me like he just said "fuck it" and walked away because it's easier than dealing with the hate mob. Which is fine, but it isn't an issue that should have ever happened in the first place.

And you won't find anybody defending doxing and harassment, until "harassment" is defined as merely criticism you don't like.

 

[CriticalGaming]

To some people, these are important issues. It is unreasonable to expect others to get fired up over things not important to them, but it is just as unreasonable to declare they shouldn't find these things personally important.

You know I had a theory about this that I file under to possible reasons for why culture itself has gone insane.

#1. Outrage generates attention and yields results which has encouraged more and more ridiculous demands to push the envelope.

or,

#2 Typical day to day life has no conflict, nothing to rally for or against. So people are literally inventing ways to stand behind/against a thing. Which has continued across lines to the point of absolute satire.

Why wasn't thing a problem in the 1940's? WW2. Why wasn't this a problem in the 90's? Desert Storm. 00's? Iraq. Always a villain, and in the last 15 or so years, there hasn't really been that. So the villainy has become culture itself.

No longer can show's like Married With Children happen. No more can stand-up comedy be freeform. American Pie? Jay and Silent Bob? 40-year-old Virgin? Superbad?

Everything must now be washed out, with no personality no flavor, it has to be as vanilla as possible otherwise there is a risk of offending someone. Could Tarrantino make Django today? Pulp Fiction?

Whatever the argument, it's destroying art. Movies, comics, tv shows, stand-up, these are the main forms of modern art and art should be the one thing that can truly be free. But it isn't. A culture that can't laugh at each other....is dead.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Until "harassment" is defined as merely criticism you don't like.

It becomes harassment the moment you stop criticizing the work, and turn your remarks towards the person. That's the simple difference. Nobody was talking shit about FNaF, they were talking shit about Scott.

 

[Buyetyen]

Why wasn't thing a problem in the 1940's? WW2. Why wasn't this a problem in the 90's? Desert Storm. 00's? Iraq. Always a villain, and in the last 15 or so years, there hasn't really been that. So the villainy has become culture itself.

As an example, LGBTQ equality has been a problem for a long fucking time and it's only in living memory that we've gotten around to actually talking about it, nevermind doing anything about it. Or do you have a different take on it?

And spare me the apocalyptic doom and gloom. You do not have the first idea what goes on in the arts and entertainment industry.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

It becomes harassment the moment you stop criticizing the work, and turn your remarks towards the person. That's the simple difference. Nobody was talking shit about FNaF, they were talking shit about Scott.

Yeah, how dare somebody not like somebody else personally. It's valid to not buy an Ubisoft game because they're grindy open world messes, but if you don't buy an Ubisoft game because the corporate leadership is a bunch of scum, that's cancel culture baby!

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You know I had a theory about this that I file under to possible reasons for why culture itself has gone insane.

#1. Outrage generates attention and yields results which has encouraged more and more ridiculous demands to push the envelope.

or,

#2 Typical day to day life has no conflict, nothing to rally for or against. So people are literally inventing ways to stand behind/against a thing. Which has continued across lines to the point of absolute satire.

Why wasn't thing a problem in the 1940's? WW2. Why wasn't this a problem in the 90's? Desert Storm. 00's? Iraq. Always a villain, and in the last 15 or so years, there hasn't really been that. So the villainy has become culture itself.

No longer can show's like Married With Children happen. No more can stand-up comedy be freeform. American Pie? Jay and Silent Bob? 40-year-old Virgin? Superbad?

Everything must now be washed out, with no personality no flavor, it has to be as vanilla as possible otherwise there is a risk of offending someone. Could Tarrantino make Django today? Pulp Fiction?

Whatever the argument, it's destroying art. Movies, comics, tv shows, stand-up, these are the main forms of modern art and art should be the one thing that can truly be free. But it isn't. A culture that can't laugh at each other....is dead.

Lol
I've been hearing this for my entire 36 year old life and it's never been true.

 

[Buyetyen]

Lol
I've been hearing this for my entire 36 year old life and it's never been true.

Same. I remember hearing conservative talking heads saying the same shit in the 90's and not a one of their apocalyptic forecasts came to pass.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

Same. I remember hearing conservative talking heads saying the same shit in the 90's and not a one of their apocalyptic forecasts came to pass.

Yet another broken campaign promise. Where's our apocalypse?

Not being made fast enough, that's where.

At the rate they're going at, I'm going to die before the world ends.

 

[Silvanus]

I suppose but the is a small part of that party. Its like the organization has 100 policies that vary across a wide swathe of different things.

You think they are evil full stop because of 1 of those 100 policies, and that might have some merit simply because it directly (in theory) affects you. But to the other 99% it doesnt so it might be perfectly reasonable to support the party for the other 99 things they do want.

Right, but decent people care about things that severely affect other people in adverse ways. And the proportion of stuff in the Republicans' political repertoire that fuck people over isn't 1 in 100. More like... 85 in 100.

Its like when you get a salad that has radish on it. You might hate radish but like all the other ingredients. You'll still eat the salad but youll ignore the radishes.

It's like that, except life and death for some people.

 

[CriticalGaming]

It's like that, except life and death for some people.

It's rare that your average Joe considers anything that doesn't affect them. People line up around the block of Chik-Fil-A because even if they hate Jews and homos, their chicken is fucking bomb apparently. I don't eat fast food so I dunno, I had a waffle fry once and thought it sucked so i dunno what they put in their Kool-Aid that people think Chik--Fil-A is any good.

But I also think In-n-Out is mediocre as well, which get's me dirty looks.

Come to think of it I want a burger now.

 

[Silvanus]

It's rare that your average Joe considers anything that doesn't affect them. People line up around the block of Chik-Fil-A because even if they hate Jews and homos, their chicken is fucking bomb apparently. I don't eat fast food so I dunno, I had a waffle fry once and thought it sucked so i dunno what they put in their Kool-Aid that people think Chik--Fil-A is any good.

I imagine mostly that's simply a lack of awareness. Which I've already stated is fine.

There's also the difference in impact between spending $5, and donating tens of thousands of dollars.

There's also also the fact that the latter is explicitly in support of their political platform, since it's a political donation, whereas the former is just payment for goods.

 

[Silvanus]

The problem is people are getting offended by people living normal lives and being good people.

Yes, but I suspect you and I are both ascribing that description to different sides.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Yes, but I suspect you and I are both ascribing that description to different sides.

That's probably a fair assessment. And to be frank i think people on both sides think the other side is insane to at least some degree.

And I think that there are points from both sides that are perfectly valid. The real question is, "Is there a middle ground solution?" Because i think it is only a matter of time before big companies start ignoring the "woke" demands in favor of just making things for normal fucking people again. Namely I think film and television will start to pull away from the extreme left as they hemorrhage viewers and sponsors because people aren't watching their dogshit.

But if both sides can figure out a middle ground somewhere, then maybe we can find a way in which being slightly "offensive" is fine again so long as it's obviously done in good faith. Maybe comedy can rip people apart again so long as the comedian in question is spreading the targets out to a wide enough degree that it hits everyone not just XYZ groups.

Things like that.

 

[Buyetyen]

That's probably a fair assessment. And to be frank i think people on both sides think the other side is insane to at least some degree.

And I think that there are points from both sides that are perfectly valid. The real question is, "Is there a middle ground solution?" Because i think it is only a matter of time before big companies start ignoring the "woke" demands in favor of just making things for normal fucking people again. Namely I think film and television will start to pull away from the extreme left as they hemorrhage viewers and sponsors because people aren't watching their dogshit.

But if both sides can figure out a middle ground somewhere, then maybe we can find a way in which being slightly "offensive" is fine again so long as it's obviously done in good faith. Maybe comedy can rip people apart again so long as the comedian in question is spreading the targets out to a wide enough degree that it hits everyone not just XYZ groups.

Things like that.

The market is already evolving due to a natural phenomenon: tastes changing over time. Part of the nature of culture is its impermanence. Like the life that creates it, culture is in a perpetual state of flux. And most of what people decry as political correctness and wokeness is just people who used to be the butt of jokes having platforms now to say, "Fuck all'a y'all."

Transgression is part of art, I don't disagree. And there is not necessarily any one "right" way to do it, but there a lot more wrong ways to do it. Besides, the plain truth at the end of the day is that some culture just isn't going to age well.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I'll worry about that slippery slope as soon as it exists.
It's a logical fallacy for a reason.

Hey, how about that question of if your public criticisms about dooming various industries and platforms are cancel culture or not? Any thots on that?

So no-one has been demonised for enjoying certain things?
That's never happened before?

Generally when you argue slippery slope it works better when you're arguing it couldn't ever happen. When people can look at history and point to it having happened then you're arguing over the precedent for it to recur.

"You are not allowed to get mad at anything unless you get mad at everything" is not the knockout argument you're pretending it is.

No people are getting fed up of the often highly selective outrage where people demand others care about the very specific causes they care for then don't seem to give 2 shits when other causes are brought up others may care about.

People are fed up of the self righteous tone and attitude a small minority in society have chosen to take in regards to others.

Aka, they should be removed from the platform. I can quote you, if you want, back when it was hot tubs and bikinis

Meanwhile, there's no general effort in getting FNaF removed from storefronts

I will remind you I did find evidence of people pressuring stores to remove FNAF merchandise.

"Personally I think this sort of streaming doesn't really belong on Twitch"
They weren't breaking the rules and you wanted them canceled anyway, forced to censor their content

But it's not canceling when you do it.

So, you're really mad that the FNaF guy...retired and is still getting paid for games he made?
I am genuinely confused by this argument. Is that cancel culture? Retiring with royalties?

Technically Twitch has rules against sexually suggestive content and I'm reliably informed by the internet that Fart porn in is a thing.
Also pretty sure eye contact making sucking noises on a long tubular thing would also count as sexually suggestive content.

 

[CriticalGaming]

The market is already evolving due to a natural phenomenon: tastes changing over time. Part of the nature of culture is its impermanence. Like the life that creates it, culture is in a perpetual state of flux. And most of what people decry as political correctness and wokeness is just people who used to be the butt of jokes having platforms now to say, "Fuck all'a y'all."

Transgression is part of art, I don't disagree. And there is not necessarily any one "right" way to do it, but there a lot more wrong ways to do it. Besides, the plain truth at the end of the day is that some culture just isn't going to age well.

The thing is I feel there is a difference between movies in the early 1900's using white people in black face because black people weren't allowed to star in film. Versus today in which everyone must be a PoC, LBGTQ and also somehow female on top of that.

Sure there are merits in sensitivity shifting in media as a whole, and then there is falling off the fucking cart. And frankly I don't think there was ever a problem with the Raunchy Comedy of the American Pie and Scary Movie ilk. Because I think that people have lost sight of what is outlandish for fun versus what's just being vindictive.

Surely they can make films in which character's are racist right? What about homophobic? What about characters that portray these things but over the course of the movie grow out of them.

For example Rush Hour with Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan. Chris was a racist character at the beginning, but spending time with Jackie allowed them to become partners and friends.

I mean what I think the woke culture lacks is a sense of separation between fantasy and fiction. What's offensive to them should be banned and everyone involved fired no exceptions. And that's why i think other people are so frustrated with it. If you can't separate the art from reality, then you can no longer have art.

 

[Buyetyen]

I mean what I think the woke culture lacks is a sense of separation between fantasy and fiction. What's offensive to them should be banned and everyone involved fired no exceptions. And that's why i think other people are so frustrated with it. If you can't separate the art from reality, then you can no longer have art.

I remain unconvinced this mob is anything other than a vocal minority on social media whose protests ultimately mean nothing.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I remain unconvinced this mob is anything other than a vocal minority on social media whose protests ultimately mean nothing.

You are right. But the squeaky wheel is getting the grease and that's why we see a lot of what we are seeing now.

It's why warning labels exist.