I think both yes and no. While people often bring up the whole women earn 75% of what men do, all I have to say is its due to carrier choices people, its 98% for the same carrier path with similar experience, so the gap is basically gone. Women are often are more violent then men, its simply men that leave a mark. There is also the whole if I accuse somebody of rape and I know they have no alibi they are basically going to be convicted. Lets not even start on how unfair it is for men in divorce proceedings, and child support cases tend to slant in the females favor, even if it is the men who are bringing the case up. But then there is the whole discrimination, societal pressures, and so on. Its still unfair that women earn 98%, but I really think now we need to find a new balance and give it some time to equalize.
Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?
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Its more an issue of women sitting in nice cozy offices complaining that they make seventy five cents on the dollar while men go out working construction and mining coal risking their lives to earn that dollar. virtually every bit of the wage gap has been explained away based mostly on individuals actions as opposed to sexism, but we still hear about how sexist that is.Vault101 said:
Largely what it boils down to is that men work more hours specialize more and take more in demand jobs resulting in poorer quality of life and higher risk of death while women earn less.
Where i work i have to do all the heavy lifting and jobs involving pesticides yet corporate policy dictates i CANT make more than my female co-workers because that would be sexist.
You get paid less because you do not present a professional image. If you were trying to get hired at my local library with purple hair they would have just tossed your resume in the trash for it.IndomitableSam said:
A Harvard study done in 2005 showed that women who do the exact same work as men in the same position get %133 of the pay that their male counterparts did. By that it means same travel, same lack of taking maternity leave, same time away from their families that is flat EXPECTED for men to do.
If I were to take that paternity leave that the law says I am entitled to, the odds are very high that the next time a promotion came around, I wouldn't even be considered because my work isn't as important to me as my family is.
If you take maternity leave, it's not only expected, but you get pampered and babied when you come back to work six months later. If I say to some female at work "You look nice today" and she takes offense to it, I can be fired for sexual harassment. A woman does the same thing and a man complains, he gets fired for looking like he is getting ready to find a way to sue the company.
I am all for equality, but only true equality. Until they day that happens, and it never will because of the extremists in the feminist movement,I will continue to remind the mainstream feminists that their leaders are almost all crackpots and need to be deposed. Those Feminazis have done more harm than good to equality in the last twenty years than a fleet of bigoted men in charge ever could.
the problem is a lot of feminists want equal rights, which I support, but they also want to retain privileges and courtesies that arose when they didn't have equal rights. Some examples that quickly come to mind are women being able to essentially beat the crap out of men and if the man retaliates it's domestic violence. Women get away with rape a lot more often. In certain job fields, it's a lot easier to get a job as a woman. They expect meals to be paid for on dates, and they expect to get away with having guys buy them drinks. There are plenty more but I'm lazy. I'm all for equal rights, I just think feminazis should be aware of the consequences of those equal rights.
Let's just say that with regards to sexism, racism, and a whole bunch of other -isms, people have got it in their heads that "We were oppressed for a very long time! Therefore, we should now rise up and become the oppressors!"
That mindset is wrong, if understandable.
Also, for many people, it's hard for them to get it in their heads that different does not necessarily mean either superior or inferior. Just because things are different between me and a black guy, or me and a woman, or me and basically anyone else, doesn't mean that I'm either better or worse than them. Different =/= Superior. Different =/= Inferior. Different = Different. Period. End of story.
That mindset is wrong, if understandable.
Also, for many people, it's hard for them to get it in their heads that different does not necessarily mean either superior or inferior. Just because things are different between me and a black guy, or me and a woman, or me and basically anyone else, doesn't mean that I'm either better or worse than them. Different =/= Superior. Different =/= Inferior. Different = Different. Period. End of story.
I think women are still being oppressed. They're still being treated like sex objects, and if they're not a-typically attractive they usually have a harder time getting noticed in the world, especially in the job market. There are even still blatant examples of sexism in the food industry, retail, and almost every other field I've worked in or had friends in.
Men in power need to think less with their dicks, then we might get a bit more equality. Or maybe we could put more women in power? Just a thought.
Still, I feel like sexism is dying, and maybe in a few generations, if we teach our children correctly, we could be totally rid of any sort of division, that of sex, race, or even ideology.
What a world that would be.
Men in power need to think less with their dicks, then we might get a bit more equality. Or maybe we could put more women in power? Just a thought.
Still, I feel like sexism is dying, and maybe in a few generations, if we teach our children correctly, we could be totally rid of any sort of division, that of sex, race, or even ideology.
What a world that would be.
The spelling certainly has.
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Women are still getting undervalued. Men are still getting undervalued. We've just let a few more females in at the top-end, and are still crapping on both genders at the bottom end.
What we've done recently is brought in ideas about sexism that state that the definition is subjective to what happened in the past. Even if it didn't happen in the past, or not to you.
Same as most of the other "isms".
Also, not all rich/powerful people are bad. Not all poor/destitute people are good.
People are people. Life is unfair. No-one is owed anything.
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Women are still getting undervalued. Men are still getting undervalued. We've just let a few more females in at the top-end, and are still crapping on both genders at the bottom end.
What we've done recently is brought in ideas about sexism that state that the definition is subjective to what happened in the past. Even if it didn't happen in the past, or not to you.
Same as most of the other "isms".
Also, not all rich/powerful people are bad. Not all poor/destitute people are good.
People are people. Life is unfair. No-one is owed anything.
Photography is one of the fields that's changed dramatically, sure, there are plenty of famous male photographers, but in the middle field there is a heavy domination of female photographers, seriously, family photos, children's photos, events, weddings; Nine times out of ten if there is a female and a male photographer for consideration it'll go to the female, for some reason people feel more comfortable having their photo taken by a woman. /end gripe and sour feelings about spending so much trying to get into a profession.
I still don't bleed every month for a week so I think men are still winning.
on a more serious note, yes.
on a more serious note, yes.
I read the first three pages and then decided to comment;
As an educated man in the field of medicine, I can safely say, women have it very easy in the field.
They will be picked for a position 9 times out of 10 over a man, simply based on their gender, even if the man is more qualified.
I even admit, if I were hiring for a medical position , I would give preference to women, it's a woman's world and we're living in it now, sadly.
As an educated man in the field of medicine, I can safely say, women have it very easy in the field.
They will be picked for a position 9 times out of 10 over a man, simply based on their gender, even if the man is more qualified.
I even admit, if I were hiring for a medical position , I would give preference to women, it's a woman's world and we're living in it now, sadly.
reonhato said:
I almost never respond to these types of threads, but this post is just precious (and hilarious). The reason women play best out of three instead of five is because of sexism. When the women were given their open, they were viewed as physically inferior to men (and still are viewed that way), and therefore thought to lack the ability to play five sets. The answer? Let's just limit them to three, just to make sure they don't hurt those fragile, dainty little woman bodies.
Seriously, you have to think about these things before you say them.
And, regarding lesser pay for women: the reason is not because men are willing to take higher paying jobs, etc. etc. That does not explain why women are paid significantly less for working the same jobs. Moreover, women have a far more difficult path to achieving the very high-paying jobs (see: investment banking and stocks) because (1) the people at the top who hire are largely men; and/or (2) women are seen as weaker and less aggressive; and/or (3) many men still think that women are going to come in and just PMS once a week every month, being bitchy to everyone and getting their gross menstrual blood all over the damn workplace!
And yes, I am a man in my second year of law school in New York City.
Utterly true, and very eloquently put. People always try to simplify this issue with bizarre misery mathematics.orangeban said:
Considering the ass-fucking victims get in rape cases I can't believe that women have it better than men.
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Yes. Fathers have it bad. In fact, under Maryland law (where I live), it is basically more profitable that if the couple is not married, that the father not live in the house with the mother and child, than if he did. Way to go, government! Awesome job you're doing to ensure that generations of children grow up without strong father figures. You wonder why there's so much gang violence in Baltimore City? Hrm... Let's think on that...Atheist. said:
A quote I like that attempts to define the perpetually misunderstood aims of the Feminist Movement is from Peggy Kornegger -- "Feminism doesn't mean female corporate power or a woman President; it means no corporate power and no Presidents. The Equal Rights Amendment will not transform society; it only gives women the 'right' to plug into a hierarchical economy. Challenging sexism means challenging all hierarchy - economic, political, and personal."
If the only way to ease the oppression of women is to oppress men, there is something wrong with the system. And if "Equality for women" means "Being expected to act like a man," women aren't equal at all; this paradigm implies that not being born a man is a handicap to be overcome.
My main point is, giving women the right to vote 90 years ago doesn't automatically put us on the road to equality, it doesn't mean we even know what equality looks like, because it has NEVER HAPPENED. Women are treated better here in the US than elsewhere, but it still can't be said that the feminine is considered valid. I don't claim to know everything about Feminism, or even that I properly define it, but I do know that people who know too little are its worst enemy.
So no, I don't think any tables have turned. At best, women are being offered incentives to perpetuate the machinery of their own oppression. Also, $.75 on the dollar.
If the only way to ease the oppression of women is to oppress men, there is something wrong with the system. And if "Equality for women" means "Being expected to act like a man," women aren't equal at all; this paradigm implies that not being born a man is a handicap to be overcome.
My main point is, giving women the right to vote 90 years ago doesn't automatically put us on the road to equality, it doesn't mean we even know what equality looks like, because it has NEVER HAPPENED. Women are treated better here in the US than elsewhere, but it still can't be said that the feminine is considered valid. I don't claim to know everything about Feminism, or even that I properly define it, but I do know that people who know too little are its worst enemy.
So no, I don't think any tables have turned. At best, women are being offered incentives to perpetuate the machinery of their own oppression. Also, $.75 on the dollar.
Not really. There are still plenty of cases of women still being discriminated against. Many guys still think it morally wrong to hit a girl. That's sexist. Many times men will treat women differently or not take them seriously because they are either afraid of them or they believe themselves to be the superior gender. And people expect more out of girls than they do guys. When a guy does something gross, typical guy, but when a girl does something gross, eww, she's so disgusting learn how to act like a girl. Guys all want a hot girlfriend even if they themselves are ugly as sin and wouldn't dream of touching a fat girl or an ugly girl. Sure, there's some discrimination against guys, but I think that it is still much more severe for women. Even if people don't intend it, it is still a in the mentality of most guys to treat girls differently.