never said anything about stoping modsJake Lewis Clayton said:
i sad something about if BS tryed selling mods to there game that outer people made without giving the modders some money
Skyrim DLC Will Be Timed 360 Exclusive
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i sad something about if BS tryed selling mods to there game that outer people made without giving the modders some money
*sigh* Really? Developers are still doing this? I don't quite understand why they think this is still a good strategy. Skyrim is going to be such a massive game commercially that I could only see this hurting the DLC sales.
While i don't have any personal experience with previous Elder Scroll games, given the average RPG today, and what i've heard, even if they cut half the content, it'll probably still be way bigger than most oher genres, even they could add their DLC.Iklwa said:
Think about a shooter map pack featuring 2 new maps, and 2 old ones, 10$.
Hopefully they will actually make good of their wanting it to be more like an expansion thing. I miss the days when you paid for a hefty chunk of new gameplay, instead of paying a for a small addition.
As for the OP, don't really mind waiting 30 days, and if microsoft is paying bethesda a shitload to get it 30 days earlier, good for everyone, they'll have more money to spend developing games.
Yeah, we know. In fact, I was playing Morrowind on Solstheim merely 2 hours ago. It's all for jokes.EHKOS said:
Well, if oblivion and morrowind ... sorry, if scrolls and scrolls is anything to go by, I will be playing skyrim for over 300 hours so them getting it 30 days before us means nothing.
I am not going to straight shoot 300 hours so it will take me about a month to finish the game without DLC so it will probably be out when I finish it.
If that is not the case I will be making more than one person anyway, I love me a good character creator!
I am not going to straight shoot 300 hours so it will take me about a month to finish the game without DLC so it will probably be out when I finish it.
If that is not the case I will be making more than one person anyway, I love me a good character creator!
Because depending on the mod the work is copyrighted by the people that make it. Just because you put it into their game doesn't give them the right to re-use it. They would have to buy/license the work from the modders, and than it runs into the issues that the console have shitty graphics capabilities compared to their PC counterparts. One of the skin re-textures for Oblivion was almost 6GBs. That would be a whole disk worth of just skin textures at 4096x4096, where the original was probably at best 1024x1024(which is probably a wrong estimate). The console couldn't do it. Also the game would have to be submitted to be re-rated by the ESRB because the new missions etc weren't rated with the initial release with the rest of the game/dlc.SonOfVoorhees said:
what? PC players are going to be forced to take back seat AGAIN? this time by our trusty Bethesda? What happened? Have we not been buying? Have we not participate in the community? Is this an other bash to the PC players? That we are now "second class" compared to our X-box360 brothers(sisters)?
Interesting, not that I'm getting the game, I probably wouldn't even if I had the money. I saw my brother play Oblivion many a time, but it just didn't look good.
The good people that work for the Escapist have said it time and time again, and I've been saying it as well:
DLC isn't stuff the developers or publishers hold back to make more money later.
Publishers give developers a deadline of when stuff has to be in some semblance of a finished product form then the month or so after that is when the game goes into the "gold" state, when the developers have to send all finished parts off to be put on disc and packaged, then distributed between online and brick store retailers.
Unless a developers has had enough time to put in every important idea into the game(which is usually unlikely these days), there will always be bits left on the cutting room floor. Missions that the developers thought were great, but not important enough that they could risk the possibility of not making the deadline because they chose to work on that bit.
Then, once the game goes gold, that is when parts of the development team go off to other projects, and many times, a group stays behind to finish up the parts that didn't get put into the finished/released product, and when they do finish that stuff, that is when DLC for the game comes out. There are more than likely many times when the developers know they won't be able to fit some parts in, and that is when they decide what is going to have to be DLC and when it will be ready by after the release of the main game.
I willing to bet that 99% of DLC isn't some greedy tactic to get more money, but content that was picked up off the cutting room floor after the game has went gold and been shipped off. Developers have no say in such things, they can make recommendations for more time to the Publishers, but chances are the Publishers aren't going to give them more time, because said Publishers and investors have put a great deal of money in to support the project and they put a deadline because they can't just sit around and wait until the game is 100% perfect done, because many times when some developers are left to their own devices and not given a deadline or specific goal to meet, then they feel that can take how ever long they what since they don't feel worried that they might get fired. A deadline motivates developers, so they actually get work done. If a developer doesn't get real and proper deadline given to them, things like what happened with 3DRealms and Duke Nukem Forever happen. They piddle the money away until nothing is left, but don't have much of a product to show for their laziness.
And still, what came of DNF is crap, because in that case it was a greedy cash grab by Gearbox, because of how little work and care went into the game to actually make it like the old DN3D, they were lazy and decided to just make it like every other messed up "modern" style shooter.(But that my friend is a tale for another day.)
But as I said, in the end DLC is content that didn't get in the game because there was no way of completing it and putting it into the game before the packaging deadline.
When will people learn?Iklwa said:
The good people that work for the Escapist have said it time and time again, and I've been saying it as well:
DLC isn't stuff the developers or publishers hold back to make more money later.
Publishers give developers a deadline of when stuff has to be in some semblance of a finished product form then the month or so after that is when the game goes into the "gold" state, when the developers have to send all finished parts off to be put on disc and packaged, then distributed between online and brick store retailers.
Unless a developers has had enough time to put in every important idea into the game(which is usually unlikely these days), there will always be bits left on the cutting room floor. Missions that the developers thought were great, but not important enough that they could risk the possibility of not making the deadline because they chose to work on that bit.
Then, once the game goes gold, that is when parts of the development team go off to other projects, and many times, a group stays behind to finish up the parts that didn't get put into the finished/released product, and when they do finish that stuff, that is when DLC for the game comes out. There are more than likely many times when the developers know they won't be able to fit some parts in, and that is when they decide what is going to have to be DLC and when it will be ready by after the release of the main game.
I willing to bet that 99% of DLC isn't some greedy tactic to get more money, but content that was picked up off the cutting room floor after the game has went gold and been shipped off. Developers have no say in such things, they can make recommendations for more time to the Publishers, but chances are the Publishers aren't going to give them more time, because said Publishers and investors have put a great deal of money in to support the project and they put a deadline because they can't just sit around and wait until the game is 100% perfect done, because many times when some developers are left to their own devices and not given a deadline or specific goal to meet, then they feel that can take how ever long they what since they don't feel worried that they might get fired. A deadline motivates developers, so they actually get work done. If a developer doesn't get real and proper deadline given to them, things like what happened with 3DRealms and Duke Nukem Forever happen. They piddle the money away until nothing is left, but don't have much of a product to show for their laziness.
And still, what came of DNF is crap, because in that case it was a greedy cash grab by Gearbox, because of how little work and care went into the game to actually make it like the old DN3D, they were lazy and decided to just make it like every other messed up "modern" style shooter.(But that my friend is a tale for another day.)
But as I said, in the end DLC is content that didn't get in the game because there was no way of completing it and putting it into the game before the packaging deadline.
Ahem. There, uh. Seems to be a bit of a... m-misunderstanding here, uh...
It SOUNDS like you're planning DLC for a game that's not even out yet, Bethesda... mind, um, clarifying that? Bethesda? Bethesda?!
It SOUNDS like you're planning DLC for a game that's not even out yet, Bethesda... mind, um, clarifying that? Bethesda? Bethesda?!
It's usually not a fit more like here is 50 million if we get the dlc first. Hissy fits are less effective than cash and that's how they gained the exclusives on some previous dlcs.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
To quote the Rich Texans from The Simpsons "WHOOOHOOO SCORE 1 FOR THE BAD GUYS!!!" > Yeah now rocks to be a xbox owner.
Yeah now rocks to be a xbox owner.Ha ha! That's so Microsoft!
I cannot feign surprise, but the move is obviously all on MS's side of the fence which leads me to believe the company has multiple personalities for gaming. Y'know Microsoft, PC and the 360 are both yours...
While I own a PS3 and a 360, I would rather purchase the PC version and outright refuse to buy the 360 one after the screw-up early model I'm stuck with that has a mere 20gb hard drive, to boot. That alone encourages me to pass on all 360 DLC because 20 gigs is a joke and they should have known it from the beginning [/mini-rant].
I'm just curious, after reading through some of the posts, that if the PC version is the 360's port, could this portend to actual gamepad support for the 360 controller on the PC? I would much prefer to get Skyrim on the PC for the mods (oh glorious mods!), but I'm not really a PC game person beyond Age of Kings from ye olde days and would actually like the option to stick my 360 controller in and play without having to use an emulator (with craptastic results). It would be interesting to see if Bethesda ever got PS3 mod support, though, because that would be quite amazing! Microsoft, on the other hand, would likely scorn any attempts of "free" and "user created" being in the same room together with "downloadable content."
I cannot feign surprise, but the move is obviously all on MS's side of the fence which leads me to believe the company has multiple personalities for gaming. Y'know Microsoft, PC and the 360 are both yours...
While I own a PS3 and a 360, I would rather purchase the PC version and outright refuse to buy the 360 one after the screw-up early model I'm stuck with that has a mere 20gb hard drive, to boot. That alone encourages me to pass on all 360 DLC because 20 gigs is a joke and they should have known it from the beginning [/mini-rant].
I'm just curious, after reading through some of the posts, that if the PC version is the 360's port, could this portend to actual gamepad support for the 360 controller on the PC? I would much prefer to get Skyrim on the PC for the mods (oh glorious mods!), but I'm not really a PC game person beyond Age of Kings from ye olde days and would actually like the option to stick my 360 controller in and play without having to use an emulator (with craptastic results). It would be interesting to see if Bethesda ever got PS3 mod support, though, because that would be quite amazing! Microsoft, on the other hand, would likely scorn any attempts of "free" and "user created" being in the same room together with "downloadable content."
Well the PC part isn't, unless the developer uses their tools to build the game MS get's absolutely nothing from them.SelectivelyEvil13 said:
And with 360 you can't put anything on it without MS getting their cut, and that is why they don't mind throwing money at developers to get their exclusives.
i am so fucking tired of MS and this DLC bullshit, every time a big new game comes along MS throws money at the dev for "exclusive content" in what has got to be one of the most immature displays of a superiority complex i've ever seen, and at the same time throwing a hissy fit over having to get content or games second, when it's perfectly ok for them to keep content on cross platform releases and bully devs into creating games with the lowest optimization by threatening to not let them onto their system if they even so much as release on the PS3 first. i mean jesus christ, why the fuck do they feel the need to do this? MS tries so desperately to make their console seem like the superior choice when all they do is screw over everyone else, and their own customers, and if they think they need to secure exclusive content just to keep people interested in their console then that says a lot about what they think of their customers.
I REALLY don't understand why everyone is so annoyed about XBox360 getting the horse armour, game breaking overpowered stealth armour and player housing with game breaking unlimited gold dispenser first. So Microsoft gave Bethesda a couple of million however much to get the DLC first. Big deal, if MS were really smart, they would make the money dependant on Bethesda actually doing some REAL quality assurance for a change.
And to the person who is pre-ordering the limited edition and planning to get the GOTY, your friends are right and you need a new life, not new friends.
EDIT spelling, not game breaking, probably not millions
And to the person who is pre-ordering the limited edition and planning to get the GOTY, your friends are right and you need a new life, not new friends.
EDIT spelling, not game breaking, probably not millions
I guess I'm the only person that really doesn't care about this? I'm sure a 30 day wait won't kill me, nor am I so worried about someone getting to experience something first that I'll have to move my 360 to the big TV or buy a PC or anything. I mean, I'm sure I can fill that 30 days by playing Skyrim as is or any other number of things going on in my life.
