'Slut' Parade

[Irridium]

Far as I know, the law already has. It's yet to tell women that they are unable to rape, as rape is defined as

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if?

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

There's a hell of a lot worse that can be achieved in sexual assault.

I really, really, really hate double-standards.

Women aren't the only ones that get raped.

About the article, I can't even believe they're having this march. I can't even fucking believe that people are saying women are getting raped because of how they're dressed. This is just fucking unbelievable.

 

[Mr Companion]

Or... you know, we could promote sensible clothing, so the temptation isnt more there (I know, rape is about power and that stuff).

We don't want to go back to edwardien times where clothing meant covering yourself up with many layers upon layers of clothing so everybody forgets what sexuality is. While I don't like the term "Sluts" indicating vigorous promiscuity devoid of personal safety against disease I do however believe that it is men that must change, not fashion. Also, women are beautiful lets live in a world where they are not shackled by fear of sweaty ugly bastards bearing down on them with primal lust.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I don't really go for easy people myself, I prefer a bit of mystery and challenge in my relationships.

However, the words 'their life' *shrug, spring to mind

 

[Blayze2k]

Furthermore, why in the HOLY FUCKING HELL do men object to women dressing in scanty clothing?
And why do we/they look down on them for it?

I mean, you enjoy it, don't you? I frickin' enjoy women wearing very little clothing.
I would like to encourage this.

I feel that a good way to encourage this would be to NOT treat them like dirt for doing it,
And to treat rape with all the gravity it deserves. It's a heinous crime, driven by absolute maliciousness, deserving of the most harsh punishment allowable.

Before you argue... do you look at porn?
If so, then you preemptively lose the argument due to logical inconsistency.

 

[Blayze2k]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

*Facepalm*

Just, this is all I have to say on the subject at hand.

 

[Nurb]

Speaking of the sluts vs studs debate...

 

[icaritos]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Just tell the rapists not to rape them, I'm sure they will listen to reason.

There is no conclusive evidence on weather or not dressing in a certain way affects the likelihood of getting raped. So the possibility of it being a factor still exists until more research is done.

Now I fully believe that in any rape case the victim is completely innocent, even if she were to be walking down the street naked. The rapist is ALWAYS to blame, and should be judged without regard to the victims attire.

But also let's be realistic here, I would not walk around a bad neighborhood with my smartphone out or a good watch. No amount of punishment towards the rapist will ever erase the horrible crime committed against the innocent victim, so shouldn't we do what we can to prevent it from happening?

 

[Break]

This is going to be long. Kept having to refresh the thread in another tab to add responses to comments posted while I was writing. For the first time I'm almost glad that a bunch of people are saying the same thing, because it means I could just add the quote to a list and respond to the single argument being shared.

Edit: And I still missed a bunch of stuff. Godammit. This never ends.

Rather than listening to advice that probably won't come in useful since most rapists know their victims and would restrict their lives they instead choose to have a parade.

Yes. Is the point. Because the "advice" is worthless, misogynistic victim-blaming that does nothing but help perpetuate a culture where rapists can feel justified and victims feel helpless.

Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?

Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

OK, the actual advice that was given was for women not to dress like sluts to 'avoid trouble', which is a little different to rape.

Rape doesn't rely on the victim's looks but if you take the advice as meaning 'trouble' generally then it's actually pretty good advice. 'Don't dress like a slut if you want people to respect you', seems like good advice to me. The policeman can't afford to be idealistic because he works in The Real World, in The Real World you do need to be aware of what people around you think of you.

The way the police said what they said was sexist and insensitive, yes, but the POINT they were trying to get across isn't. It's about making the right decisions to keep yourself safe. You know there are immoral people out there, don't make it easy for them!

And this notion is faulty because you're thinking within the framework of the non-existent reality in which this advice makes sense, wherein sexual desire in men is somehow caused and incited by provocatively-dressed women, and a man can somehow be changed from a normal person into a rapist if he gets sufficiently aroused. This is bullshit. AgentNein has been doing a good job of addressing this already: among causes of rape, provocative dress just isn't a major factor, and dressing modestly isn't going to make you any safer from rape. Same goes for other suggested bullshit factors often used for victim blaming, like location, or company. A woman can be with friends she thought she could trust, in places she thought of as safe, dressed in perfectly acceptable ways, and still be raped - and still people will blame her, with the same bullshit excuses of "shouldn't have dressed like a slut", "shouldn't have gotten drunk around guys", "shouldn't have been asking for it".

The advice you're offering is worthless, and repeating it only helps rapists. Stop repeating it.

Second: These women in this protest are, themselves, bringing up this point. The one sign says "Don't tell me how to dress, tell men not to rape", presupposing herself that there is a correlation between provocative dress and rape victims. Again: absolutely not empirical evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers were solid.

No. The protest is a response to the correlation being drawn by other people. You don't need to guess what the numbers are. They don't support your position. You can stop assuming that they might.

If one key opens many locks, it's a master key, but if one lock is opened by many keys, it's a shitty lock.

How women got to be the lock in the abovementioned statement is probably only superficial, and thus meaningless, but I figured it was worth having said at least once.

It's never worth saying. Not even once. It starts from the assumption that a woman's chastity is something to be guarded, whereas a man's ability to stick his dick in things is something to be lauded, and piles on the misogyny from there. Don't worry about making sure it's said. It only makes you look like a jackass.

"Don't tell us how to dress, tell men not to rape"

Far as I know, the law already has.

This isn't about law. This is about culture.

I'd pay them no mind, as always, because I know how much MY personal achievements mean to ME. Besides, you're on a gaming lifestyle forum. You should have had at least one experience when somebody looked down on you for the things you do. Have you grabbed a banner that said "Game=/=Shame" and ran out with it?

Privilege 101. It's easy to not care about what society thinks about you when your basic humanity isn't up for debate.

 

[ZtH]

But the principle is the same. Why was someone taking the risk in being mugged by walking with their wallet exposed? The same goes for sluts. Why are you dressed like that and taking an unnecessary risk? Yes, rape is worse, so surely that means women should grasp onto any advice given to them on how to avoid it rather then act like spoilt kids and do the opposite.

It's because they shouldn't ever have to sacrifice their individuality in order to avoid trouble. If I told you to stay in your home your entire life to avoid getting mugged would you take that advice? You likely wouldn't because you're sacrificing something you value to avoid something somebody else is inflicting on you. They have a right to express their individuality any way they like and no one has the right to violate them. Perpetuating this myth of "a man can't control his actions if a woman is dressed provocatively" only serves to perpetuate rape.

But that is not their choice is it? Being a slut is a choice, and a one that is already seen as bad before you bring the rape issue into it.

It's a choice and not one that should be looked down upon. People who view it as bad tend to do so from a flawed male oriented perspective. If you genuinely feel that all sex is immoral then feel free to keep that opinion, but a lot of us don't share your point of view and especially don't feel it applies any more to women than it does to men.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I'm a slut, and proud of it!

I think that the idea that the way we dress should be used against us is offensive and insane. We have the right to dress how we like and be protected the same as everyone else!

So sir, I suggest you read the damn article you yourself posted before making ignorant comments like your OP.

 

[Odbarc]

Sluts don't say yes, they say "Mmphpphph" or nothing at all and just go for it.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Reading the article paints a very different picture.

Women should not have to be told how to dress, they should not be told that they are more likely to get raped if they wear certain clothes, they should feel free to wear what they want and blame for rape is put on the rapists.

There's not much more to say really, apart from the whole 'taking back the word' thing. Yes it is unfair that men sleep around and do not get referred to as sluts or even promiscuous by the public at large. This is because the public is stupid, and trying to take back the word that stupid people use is equally stupid. How about just no one talks about the morality of sleeping around vs not sleeping around?

*Facepalm*
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Just, this is all I have to say on the subject at hand.

I just have to know, are you referring to the stupidity of the people on this forum, because you have read the article and understood what it's actually about being the misogynistic title, or are you referring to the large group of people protesting the right to wear what they damn well please? If one I applaud you, if the other then it becomes even more hilarious, but probably not for the right reasons.

 

[jboking]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Wow, you couldn't have made that more misleading. It's about them protesting a judge essentially asking them to enforce a god damn dress code. But only for women, naturally. All so they could not get raped. Honestly, the "If you dress like a slut then you're asking for it," defense has never worked and never will. A judge showing this level of ignorance about the subject is really shocking.

The real message was as such:

[HEADING=3]Don't tell me I have to dress a certain way or I'll get raped, tell other people to not fucking rape me.[/HEADING]

Pretty reasonable plea, really. Of course, when you consider that rape almost always occurs between people who know one another very well, it would rarely be that a woman was just "dressed like a slut."

 

[Mxrz]

Yeah, how dare these women object to the use of a derogatory, insulting term used by a govt employ in relation to the likelihood of being a victim of a criminal act. They should do exactly as Islam and Christianity demands. So keep them titties covered, you silly bitches, or you're totally going bring this sexual assault on yourself.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

 

[Jimbo1212]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

But that is a silly idealistic notion to have in this world.
Sure, they should be able to wear what they want, but people will target them for rape, just like how you should be able to walk anywhere with your phone and wallet out in your hand,but you don't because someone will steal it.

Or to put it another way:
Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?

That's funny,
No one rapes me when *I* walk around with my shirt unbuttoned, wearing tight jeans.
And I do that. And I'm wicked attractive, if I do say so myself. And I do. And other people do.

Seems like a double standard.
[I'm male, if that wasn't obvious]

There is a trend in our culture of blaming the victim. And it's chauvinist bullshit.

Good for these women for calling society out on it.

Boo to those of you who buy into the chauvinism.

Actually in some cities male rape it on the increase, plus of course it is double standards because men can easily overpower a woman.

These women need to stop being naive and so idealistic. We would all love to live on a fluffy cloud where we can do what we want, but we don't so stop acting like it and take preventative action.

Wow, you couldn't have made that more misleading. It's about them protesting a judge essentially asking them to enforce a god damn dress code. But only for women, naturally. All so they could not get raped. Honestly, the "If you dress like a slut then you're asking for it," defense has never worked and never will. A judge showing this level of ignorance about the subject is really shocking.

The real message was as such:

[HEADING=3]Don't tell me I have to dress a certain way or I'll get raped, tell other people to not fucking rape me.[/HEADING]

Pretty reasonable plea, really. Of course, when you consider that rape almost always occurs between people who know one another very well, it would rarely be that a woman was just "dressed like a slut."

Have we not being telling people not to rape women for sometime now, and has it worked? Therefore, these women need to take action rather then thinking that screaming about their rights is going to deter a rapist.

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I'm a slut, and proud of it!

I think that the idea that the way we dress should be used against us is offensive and insane. We have the right to dress how we like and be protected the same as everyone else!

So sir, I suggest you read the damn article you yourself posted before making ignorant comments like your OP.

If everyone went out carrying cash in hand into the roughest neighborhoods I would not be surprised if the police told them to stop and get some common sense.
Why is it any different for women and how they dress?

 

[brinvixen]

For the most part I agree with the girls. I'm not really about "reclaiming words" (for example, I think African-Americans wanting to take the N-word back is ridiculous, and I'm an African-American myself) but I do think what that police officer said was wrong. Telling a bunch of girls that they're going to get raped because of how they dress is uncouth. Telling them that the clothes they wear make them "sluts" is also rude. No one can pinpoint reasons as to why rape happens: sadly it just does.

I like miniskirts and low-cut tops and the likes. Whenever I go out, I make sure to look out for myself and the people that are with me. I keep myself out of potential dangerous situations on the grounds of where I go, who I go with, and what goes on at that place. And the list of safety precautions goes on and on. But the clothes I wear does not fall into that category.

 

[8-Bit Grin]

"Just because I look hungry doesn't mean I want random people showing sausages down my throat".

I know I should say something serious but...


Whoever said that obviously doesn't understand the simple pleasures in life.

Hell, even if I wasn't hungry I'd just stick those bad boys in a bag like parade candy.

 

[Actual]

And this notion is faulty because you're thinking within the framework of the non-existent reality in which this advice makes sense, wherein sexual desire in men is somehow caused and incited by provocatively-dressed women, and a man can somehow be changed from a normal person into a rapist if he gets sufficiently aroused. This is bullshit.

No we're not talking about turning normal men into rapists we're saying that a guy who is already a rapist, he's (in our opinion) most likely to go for the sluttily dressed girls.

Don't be the sluttily dressed girls, reduce your chance of being raped.

In an ideal world I'd love to see every one be able to dress or do whatever they want without the risk of any crime being perpetrated against them, but we're not there yet so exercise a little caution.

It's not about blaming the victim it's about recognising that preventative measures can be taken against almost any crime.