WarpedMind said:
BeerTent said:
Oh my fucking god this spanking thing.[...]
Emotional anecdotes, false equivalence and borderline psychotic rambling about "pecking order" and comparing children to animals.
F-
The name amuses me.
I dunno, it bothers me. I feel like we're in this age of coddling and "No child can do wrong." "No child left behind." and "Failure doesn't exist." We're all animals here, and until the child learns the social order, it's just like one of the other pets. Then again, you could be right about me, and I'd make an awful parent. Kids were never my forte. I did ramble. And I probably said some pretty wrong comparisons there.
Let me just take a look at your vi-wait... That name's familiar. Stefan Molyneux? I've heard that from somewhere, and I need more time to look into it, but I'm pretty sure this FDR thing he's doing is kind of messed up. Not just because I disagree with him, but I've talked to someone who watches him. Isn't this the guy that also says that there's no such thing as a mental illness? And that Women are "the source of evil?" You're taking advice from this ************? I'm too lazy to look into it much further, but after an iota of digging, I'm finding some things that hint to what I've heard.
I'm really freaking iffy on that. Let's leave it there.
The Tulane university one is talking about spanking a child at the age of three, which even for my hateful "Psychotic" standards is insane. I'm talking about striking the thing after the age of 5. And sparsely at best to make a point.
Of course you're going to fuck a child up by spanking it
frequently as early as three years of age. This is Humanity 101, and you need a study to prove that? I'm nice enough to give you a C on that one.
The Science Direct article has nothing to do about spanking, just weather or not children can understand what abuse actually is, and if those children believe that they can come out. In HK, their culture dictates modesty and loyalty. The children have very differing views on what abuse is, but is unlikely to report it because of the strong belief, which is very likely shared across multiple cultures, that the parent can do no wrong, and that it is infallible. We all have that discovery that your Mother isn't omnipotent when we're around that age.
Bear in mind that we also need to factor in differences in culture. Chinese culture is extremely different from say, British or Canadian culture. Hell, the Americans have a different culture than us up here. This
does affect children at an extremely young age, as they're receptive to the behavior of others when they're as young as 6 months old.
Spanking increases lying... I need to pay for that? Let's skimp the abstract. Children learn around this age that grown-ups are not infallible. This is an natural response at this age. Can we avoid a punishment if we lie? Yes? Fuckin' do it! Congratulations. Children can reason. Who knew?
When I'm talking about all of this stuff, I'm interested in the end goal. We do something thats morally gray now, to ensure that 20 years into the future our child isn't a shit-head who thinks they can do no wrong. I'm not paying for a research paper. It's probably a good one, but I have more important things to pay for.
I'm on the PDF now, and although it's a '09 study, it looks like it was scanned in the 80's. I'm coming to the realization that I think you're more concerned about a specific time. These studies, to me, talk about
excessive use of spanking. Knocked over my glass and it shattered? That's a'spankin'. Turned on the TV? That's a'spankin'. Late for curfew? That's a'spankin'. Don't like trains? That's a'spankin'. Shit like that?
Of course that's going to cause problems for the child. I
love to joke and bash children, say they're stupid, they shit everywhere, steal money, etc, etc... But the truth is that children are actually really receptive to their surroundings. They need to be, because the parent needs to show and teach the child what life is going to be like. A parent needs to explain to the child when things are wrong, and parents do need to take disciplinary action to condition the child that doing something seriously wrong, has serious consequences. As a moderately reasonable Tent (Shocking, I know.) when I talk about spanking, I'm not talking about mercilessly beating the child at the ages between 2-4. I'm talking about a severe corrective measure after the age of 5-6. You walked out on the road without checking and almost got run over? You bet your ass it's gonna be red. You knocked over my glass of pop? Whoop de do, let's clean it up together. These things happen when you're not careful, and maybe later you'll choose what we replace it with.
I'd never say I'd be a good parent. I'd be awful. But I like to think that I have a good idea what it's like to be a dip-shit 5 year old.