Sony Patents a Way to Sabotage Used Game Market
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This was in the rumor mill for along time people, I've known about for months since some did leak from the inside of Sony. Now that it actually a fact or confirmed that this software/hardware is panted exist, I'm really looking forward to the next gen of gaming.
I have the same problem with this that comes with the code activation. What if I just want to rent the damn game to try it out? See if I like it enough to keep playing the online? But nope. I can't even try out the full game because of these restrictions and now they are saying I can't even try it at all besides a demo that gives me a very small portion of the game? How is this fair?! I hate the way that console gaming is going all together. If they want better sales then they shouldn't make us pay $60 bucks a game and then charge us $40 bucks extra for the full thing with all the DLC they release for games.
While that is true it does not mean that companies have to give you the option to resell downloaded software. they can perfectly and legally make it so you cant resell that product.Nicolaus99 said:
They can do this with disk based games as well and there is nothing the courts can do about it because its not against any laws.
The car industry does. Used car lots specifically undercut new sales and I'm pretty sure all the car companies would rather everyone have to buy new cars all the time.Baldr said:
If they want to cripple the used market, then go for a cheaper and more convenient digital distribution service. There's a reason why people use Steam so much, it's just easier than going to a store.
DoveAlexa said:
I was trying to play a game in the same house as my brother that we have, on my laptop instead of the main PC. He never uses Steam his account was ages old, he struggled to remember the password or even what email address he would have used. I don't know why he would have turned steam guard on, he doesn't use steam and Empire is the only game he has on it, maybe there was some pop up that he just clicked yes to?Zipa said:
But that meant we were in danger of only being able to play a game we had a disk to, on one computer forever after. It was an unpleasant experience and so I can't give any favour to Steam for the DRM. At worst Sony's plan will work exactly the same, it locks it to an account, and you just sign in to an account on someones Playstation to play it. It's awful restrictive DRM but at its worst it's still equal to Steam DRM and they should be treated fairly equally. And at least with Sony it's hypothetical, they haven't actually put the system in place yet
this sounds suspiciously like it won't stop the thing it's designed to, and will cause problems for the ones it purportedly accepts.
Just like on computers.
Just like on computers.
I just don't see a point in using new windows os two to three years later unless it was on laptop/tablet computer.gibboss28 said:
Yeah, if Sony is smart, they won't do it. I don't see people getting so pissed about not being able to buy used games. It would be more about the fact that you're stuck with a game for life. I mean, that's fine if the game rocks but what if you get tired of it? Or you just wanna get rid of them for whatever reason? Whether they like it or not, some crappy games are sold merely on that reason alone; they know that if the game sucks, they can always try to get rid of it somehow. But if a gamer knows buying a crappy game means they're stuck with it for life, they'll think twice before taking a risk. I know I would; I'd probably stick with the well-known, triple A games.
I know PC games do kind of the same thing already; they give you a code that you can only use once. That's the reason why Gamestop doesn't sell used PC games. But the way I see it, there are more console games available than PC games. They can't afford to isolate people like that. Not only that, but they would have to sell all games released ever forever. Try finding MGS4 brand new at your local store. Or The Orange Box. Or Assassin's Creed 1. Or Devil May Cry 4.
Personally, while I respect and thank the developers for their work, sometimes I'm forced to get games used. So if they wanna fix that problem, they should take a different approach.
I know PC games do kind of the same thing already; they give you a code that you can only use once. That's the reason why Gamestop doesn't sell used PC games. But the way I see it, there are more console games available than PC games. They can't afford to isolate people like that. Not only that, but they would have to sell all games released ever forever. Try finding MGS4 brand new at your local store. Or The Orange Box. Or Assassin's Creed 1. Or Devil May Cry 4.
Personally, while I respect and thank the developers for their work, sometimes I'm forced to get games used. So if they wanna fix that problem, they should take a different approach.
You actually just reminded me of something important that Sony had happen to them last year.dragongit said:
The major high level hack threat they suffered was big enough to give them a dent not only to their system but to their credibility,userbase trust and not to mention money.
Could you imagine if they suffered another high level attack only this time all the RF tags are literally stolen/replaced with fake identifications or even wiped making their entire game system collapse onto itself if they were to use that patent for their next console that is.
I do strongly agree with what you've said so far but like many of us we hope Sony won't ever have to resort to using this as a means of control since it would end up causing them more trouble than it's entire worth in the first place.
That's the big difference? The section isn't right in the front? So what if the store puts what makes them the most money right up front? That doesn't mean the producers of the product deserve to force everyone to buy new.Baldr said:
The way Sony has been going, I'm surprised they don't already have something like this patented.
I don't care if they implement it or not (either way, I think it's a waste), I just miss the days when they spent their R&D on trying to make their games & consoles better rather than just trying to squeeze a few more pennies out of a consumer base that obviously can't/wont spend a lot.
I don't care if they implement it or not (either way, I think it's a waste), I just miss the days when they spent their R&D on trying to make their games & consoles better rather than just trying to squeeze a few more pennies out of a consumer base that obviously can't/wont spend a lot.
Thats not really true either. Or rather, I've played the Total War games for years and if I wanted voice chat when playing I would use Vent or the other voice services that we use (for free). Its just another thing I have to turn off not to be disturbed. And Steam fully has the capability to give me that service without adding the locked to one account thing and they're already getting benefits out of this arrangement by forcing people to download and use Steam just to play the game. If Steam was enhancing my gaming experience on Total War then developers would let them add it without the ridiculous Anti-Used game DRM.Zipa said:
And on another plus side for Sony (apart from the fact that they didn't do this for multiple years after valve started). Steam forces me to log in to it and load it up before I can even play my game. At least on the PSN you don't have to wait 5 seconds + to start up a game so the DRM can kick in.
Heck it's worse, I have to logout of my Steam and load up my brothers Steam every single time I want to play. I'm actually having to type in a password to play a game I own.
I'll have a lawn chair and cooler waiting for ya, cause I'm going to ignore any and all Sony related happenings from here on out, they pretty clearly don't want me coming back as costumerTanis said:
I can see your point about it being a inconvenience, Steam isnt perfect by any means but it at least does have a upside. Ventrilo/teamspeak are not free though. Someone somewhere is paying to rent the server. And again Steam voice is off by default, its on you to turn it on so its not really annoying. Some games have their own voice chat thats turned on by default (like most call of duty titles but that is nothing to do with Valve.BrotherRool said: