Spawn Camping Marathon Gets Black Ops Players Banned

[Uszi]

PEOPLE. THESE WERE BOOSTERS. THEY WERE NOT EXPLOITING THE SPAWNING SYSTEM, THEY WERE LENDING EACH OTHER KILLS.

Yeah, there are debunking videos showing that at least one player on the other team basically would hip fire in place until someone on the other team finds him and kills him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKBxJisPCfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUavxduO8oo

How can you punish someone for playing the game in a legitimate way? Playing that way is physically allowed.

The ultimate responsibility lies with Treyarch, sure.

To say then that they must allow players to abuse the game, because it is their fault, is silliness. Use a glitch to boost one's stats like this is not done in good faith at all.

And the idea that this mechanic could be used to trap a non-compliant enemy team is awful, and something that should be prevented at all costs. The best way to do that is resetting the stats of the offending players, since that seems to be all they really care about.

Shit, they aren't even playing the game.

 

[staleBread]

Wow people jump off the CoD-hate bandwagon. They were banned for boosting, not for being too awesome at the game. They had friends on the enemy team blind firing in their spawns and giving away kills.

 

[TheEldestScroll]

yeah i'm not on good terms with treyarch right now. the ban is pretty unfair.

but really i think call of duty just has to die. people have to realize that they aren't going to get a significantly different experience by buying another 60 dollar military shooter. it seriously should have ended with call of duty 4.

we need innovation, this is why gaming sucks for people that don't enjoy getting all riled up at people online and mindlessly killing things. doesn't it get old after a while?

 

[Grey_Focks]

I feel like most of you guys didn't read much past the title....they weren't banned for camping, they were banned for BOOSTING, which is something entirely different, and should be punished on sight. usually with a healthy dose of bullets.

 

[Razgrizaces]

These guys were boosting, they had people who were pretending to be in a normal game play. Note how they only got like a few kills. Any normal player would probably kill people BEFORE they were spawn trapping. The opposite team WAS NOT trying to kill them, hence why people got OVER 500 kills. There's just NO way possible for them to get this legitly. 500 over lots of games, maybe, but 500 in one? No way, unless you hack or boost.

This is justified, you know.

Don't believe me? Facts are here:

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

The core mechanics of CoD online are so broken, I just find this funny

EDIT: To those who want to argue with me about why I think the core mechanics are broken, here is a copy of a post I made detailing my argument, I don't think CoD is stupid or hopeless, but I do think it needs major reform immediately, I have no intent to start an argument or flame-war, I am merely sharing my opinion that is relevant to this topic:

Alright, let's see if I can do this without starting a flamewar, I think I can manage it. *cracks knuckles*

-SNIP *WISE WORDS* SNIP-

A shooter is not about finding spots to camp on a map, but that's what Call of Duty is all about, leading me to the conclusion that the core mechanics listed above have broken the fundamental aspects of what makes a shooter enjoyable.

Thank you for putting into words WHY I dislike CoD. It just doesn't feel fun to me, and I just could not put into words why, until now. Thanks.

 

[Sux2bu]

How about this : parachute spawn drop where you choose where to fall?

It's a shit game anyway, don't know why anyone would even want to play it.

 

[Baresark]

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They could update the map to fix it. Change the map so the spawn points are in a secure location. Perhaps an area players can't readily access without having spawned there. But, that would require changing the map in some way, they don't like to release maps without being paid money for it though. Like I said in a previous post, lots of games have preset spawn points, such as TF2, only they make those points secure, and you can't be spawn camped.

why is it whenever anybody challenges someone and brings up some valid points that makes the other person think, nearly 80% of the time you see "chill out man" "its just a video game" or some other equally stupid thing?

and you are confused, i have no idea where you got "base rape" from but im sorry to tell you that spawn=base base=spawn, and to be honest ive never even heard spawns being called bases before

and also when i think about it team fortress is even more invalid as an example because black ops and the other cod games are 1 shot (roughly dont get particular) kill games, team fortress isnt

and lastly consoles dont have servers and this is the stupid shit that results from not having servers if they did then this would be a non issue, the reason that camping never got to bad in vegas was because if anyone was being to much of a jackass the host would just ban them, but its cod games are not, so you cant ban anyone

Sorry man, I'm not trying to be condescending. We all get worked up about this kind of stuff. It just sounds like people are all worked up when they drop F-bombs and use a lot of capitalized words(see what I did there to add emphasis). Also, you shouldn't assume that because I don't agree and thought you were worked up, it's because you made a valid point.

In BFBC2, a base is the general area where the team spawns when your not spawning on your squad. It has structures, supply areas, usually fence, some buildings maybe, and in the case of BFBC2, it spawns vehicles there as well. In this case, there is not a single areas where you spawn at, but a large area where people spawn. A spawn point is a single area where people spawn from all the time. It's not a large area, definitely not a base by any means. I don't agree that base=spawn and spawn=base. A spawn point can be in a base, or it could be anywhere on a map. The idea of it being a base in TF2 is that it's an area where the team spawns and it is segregated to an area where enemies cannot get to. They can't watch you spawn, and knife you as soon as you appear. It is a safe place where you can spawn and not be knifed in the back.

TF2 is a completely different style of game, and not realistic at all, but that doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile example in our little debate.

I agree, not having dedicated server support in competitive games is outright idiotic. The game was more designed for a console than it was for the PC. Since this is harder on consoles (not a developer, so I don't know for sure), I guess the developers didn't want the headache. I think it probably has something to do with the game not being in total control of the developers as well. I mean, whoever owns the server can make their own rules. And Treyach/Activision wouldn't be able to enforce their own rules.

 

[ranger19]

I think I'm going to agree with the majority of people in here and say it's wrong to have banned them. Unless they can provide irrefutable proof that the other team was in on it, it's especially unfair to ban them. I've been in games where I've been doing terribly, but refused because of pride (or a sense of what's right) to finish the game and not disconnect. To ban people "because they did not disconnect and so therefore were in on it" is absolutely wrong.

I'm glad I haven't taken Black Ops MP seriously (and by that, I mean competitively). Reach is the pinnacle of competitive online FPS for me, and it's going to stay that way for a while.

 

[zehydra]

Unless Treyarch says that this isn't allowed when you play online, then they were definitely NOT cheating.

I call bullshit.

Spawn camping's annoying, but it's not cheating usually...

 

[Bek359]

They aren't punishing you for finding a bad design, they are punishing you for EXPLOITING it to get higher ranks...just because you find a bug, doesn't mean you need to use it.

I've found plenty of bugs in games, even ones that aren't multiplayer, and I see it, then proceed on, without using it, even if it would help me in someway. I have no pity for the people they banned for being cheap.

It's not the players' fault that there's a bug. People will inevitably exploit things to get an advantage (seriously, that's the way most people PLAY CoD, figuring out how to tip the balance in their favor via attachments, camping positions, perk, etc.) Treyarch should FIX the problem. But they won't, since this has been a consistent problem with CoD games as of late.

 

[Razgrizaces]

Unless Treyarch says that this isn't allowed when you play online, then they were definitely NOT cheating.

I call bullshit.

Spawn camping's annoying, but it's not cheating usually...

I think I'm going to agree with the majority of people in here and say it's wrong to have banned them. Unless they can provide irrefutable proof that the other team was in on it, it's especially unfair to ban them. I've been in games where I've been doing terribly, but refused because of pride (or a sense of what's right) to finish the game and not disconnect. To ban people "because they did not disconnect and so therefore were in on it" is absolutely wrong.

I'm glad I haven't taken Black Ops MP seriously (and by that, I mean competitively). Reach is the pinnacle of competitive online FPS for me, and it's going to stay that way for a while.

Really? You guys are siding with the people who were helping the boosters? They were in fact, boosting.

Even I would know to aim and kill them BEFORE my team would get spawntrapped/ spawn camped. This was a boosting attempt that Treyarch Rightfully banned them for. I don't know why they put the video that did not show the other side of this, but they were in fact boosting, and the people were rightfully banned. I don't know why people are saying it's a broken game, these people did this for a publicity stunt, but in originality, they were actually boosting and pretending to play the game. See how in the beginning, they rush towards the middle and don't fire? If this was real, people would in fact, fire their weapons.

Change your mind when you see this:

 

[Baresark]

I feel like most of you guys didn't read much past the title....they weren't banned for camping, they were banned for BOOSTING, which is something entirely different, and should be punished on sight. usually with a healthy dose of bullets.

"Raise your hand if you got sucked in by the title!"

*raises hand*

"Become Literate!!!"

*weeps openly*

Got me. I read the article, but every time I respond to someone who quoted me, I look at the title, then continue to fail epically.

 

[Veloxe]

Hey, way to punish players for exposing the flaws in your game, Treyarch.

There is a big difference between exposing flaws, and exploiting flaws.

OT: Hope no one on the other team got caught up in all that and ended up getting banned for just trying to beat the campers as opposed to just disconnecting.

It brought attention to the flaw. If nobody did this and shoved it in the treyarch developers I doubt it would get fixed.

Yes but that's the difference between exposing the flaw and exploiting the flaw. Should they have found it and showed everyone to go "Hey, look at this shit! They need to fix this! Look how broken it is, what the hell Treyarch!?" I'd be totally behind that and be on the "what the hell Treyarch?!" bandwagon with them. But that's not what they did. They exploited the flaw for their own gain (and for the lulz probably) and someone thought it would be a good idea to uploaded it to youtube to show off, not to shove it in Trey's face to get them to fix it.

 

[Colonel Alzheimer's]

The solution? Play search and destroy.

That happens to be a solution for most of life's problems.

 

[DaHero]

Hear that? Spawn camping is a form of boosting. Half the noobs in the CoD series are getting banned as we speak right?

Naw...FPS games were never about skill anyways so why bother?

 

[zehydra]

Unless Treyarch says that this isn't allowed when you play online, then they were definitely NOT cheating.

I call bullshit.

Spawn camping's annoying, but it's not cheating usually...

I think I'm going to agree with the majority of people in here and say it's wrong to have banned them. Unless they can provide irrefutable proof that the other team was in on it, it's especially unfair to ban them. I've been in games where I've been doing terribly, but refused because of pride (or a sense of what's right) to finish the game and not disconnect. To ban people "because they did not disconnect and so therefore were in on it" is absolutely wrong.

I'm glad I haven't taken Black Ops MP seriously (and by that, I mean competitively). Reach is the pinnacle of competitive online FPS for me, and it's going to stay that way for a while.

Really? You guys are siding with the people who were helping the boosters? They were in fact, boosting.

Even I would know to aim and kill them BEFORE my team would get spawntrapped/ spawn camped. This was a boosting attempt that Treyarch Rightfully banned them for. I don't know why they put the video that did not show the other side of this, but they were in fact boosting, and the people were rightfully banned. I don't know why people are saying it's a broken game, these people did this for a publicity stunt, but in originality, they were actually boosting and pretending to play the game. See how in the beginning, they rush towards the middle and don't fire? If this was real, people would in fact, fire their weapons.

Change your mind when you see this:

I don't see anything wrong with this. If Treyarch wants to make it against the rules, they should do so a little more explicitly.

 

[mrdude2010]

Spawn Camping Marathon Gets Black Ops Players Banned

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You don't necessarily have to hack anything to cheat at Call of Duty.

A group of Call of Duty: Black Ops [http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Black-Ops-Xbox-360/dp/B003JVKHEQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299090434&sr=8-1 ] player earned themselves a temporary ban and a rank reset after Treyarch became aware of their efforts to cheat the system and rack up hundreds of kills through spawn camping.

The camping marathon took place during a Demolition game on the Havana map. Demolition features fixed spawns for both teams, making it a rather popular game mode with spawn campers.

As you can see in the video, the camper in question made a beeline for one of the spawn points and proceeded to knife people in the back as they appeared, and once he had amassed enough kills, he used the helicopter gunship to spray the spawn point with lead. By the end of the match, he had died eight times, but had killed 501 people. What's more his team mates had also been camping and had similarly high scores.

Unfortunately - for the campers at least - one of the players filmed the match and put it up on YouTube, where Treyarch's community manager Josh Olin saw it and gave everyone involved a temporary ban and reset their rank to zero. According to Olin's Twitter replies [http://twitter.com/#!/JD_2020/status/42404003358846976], the opposing team was in cahoots with the campers, which is why they didn't just disconnect, so they earned bans as well. Olin said that spawn camping was a form of boosting, and wouldn't be tolerated in Black Ops.

Source: Game Culture [http://www.gameculture.com/2011/03/01/when-500-kills-one-match-can-get-you-banned]


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there's a youtube video that shows that they weren't banned because of spawn camping, but rather because they were boosting. the players on the other team were just running into gunfire

 

[Rensenhito]

Wow, Treyarch. Just wow.
This isn't the players' fault. It's yours. YOU made the broken-ass system, now YOU need to fix it or else the entire multiplayer community will soon look just like these guys.

 

[Razgrizaces]

Wow, Treyarch. Just wow.
This isn't the players' fault. It's yours. YOU made the broken-ass system, now YOU need to fix it or else the entire multiplayer community will soon look just like these guys.

Is everybody ignoring my own post? The Escapists' posts are AGAINST Treyarch and the game, they did NOT show the video where they were proven WRONG because this was a boost, and not just any normal gameplay. It had to be, otherwise there's something messed up about it.

Here's another video that proves it. Skip to about 5:00.