Target Australia will no longer stock GTA5

[Loonyyy]

Also: In Australia, we don't get gunned down and killed everyday.

Speak for yourself. I get gunned down and killed all the time.

...

I'm assuming 'gunned down and killed' is what the kids these days call getting pants-shittingly drunk.

In that case, I'm gunned down and killed every night.

More lives than a goddamn laser cat.

 

[Loonyyy]

You really can't say that Vault or "feminism" can't speak for women, and then insult her and the women she engages with, and then speak for all men.

ssssshhhhhh what are you doing? you ruined my disguise? now he'll just see me as a skeleton!

Just fake some magic. Lich's are much more respected. Get some petrol and throw a fireball. No way it can backfire.

 

[WhiteNachos]

That is true, but I would have expected Target to have done its homework on this one. How many potential customers of GTA V are they losing for the possibility that these petitioners are going to completely stop shopping at their store because GTA is in it.

Maybe they did do their homework. Maybe the number of people who actually buy the games at Target are insigificant. Why would we assume otherwise without evidence?

Because they're basing their decision off a petition that is completely misrepresenting what's in the game.

That's nice, but completely irrelevant to the notion proposed that this complaint is ignored. It isn't. You're admitting it was brought up. I am correct.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say but the greater amount of violence against men in this games shows that the complainers are either sexist hypocrites or people who don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I In fact, it's one of the causal reasons for the petition.

The one grain of semi-truth in the pile of misleading BS that is the rest of their causal reasons for the petition.

And they couldn't even get that part right. The petition claims "The incentive is to commit sexual violence against women, then abuse or kill them to proceed or get 'health' points".

You get health from having sex with prostitutes, not from committing violence against them.

 

[WhiteNachos]

One year ago I remember femenist and "progresive" critics say, this was only criticism and nothing more, well, one year later, and only one year later, they menage to ban a game in Target Australia and Ban some forms of Porn in UK, I wonder what they prepare for 2015.

Ok who says the porn ban came from feminists?

I would believe it because most of the anti porn people I see are feminists not conservatives but the conservative anti porn crusaders are still around.

The number of anti porn people on both sides seem to have dwindled a lot which is good. Oh and this ban includes face sitting so I highly doubt it came from feminists.

 

[Itdoesthatsometimes]

Yeah... there is no rape in the game other than the rape of a man which you seem to have ignored. There's also no opportunities to abuse prostitutes either, the most you can do with them is treat them like any other NPC in the game or have sex with them. This isn't a prostitute rape and murder simulator, it's fucking GTAV. You're just obsessed with a fairly trivial mechanic that has almost no bearing on the rest of the game.

I had heard about the rape mods, but the game has actual rape before mods?

Even more glad I did never played it.

It's not apart of gameplay or anything, it's more Trevor being the psychotic bastard he is to a rather pitiful guy. Not sure if he was outright raped or anything, but he was definitely physically and sexually abused by Trevor.

Implied rape for comedic effect? How satirical and gritty, I am glad I abandoned that series.

I wouldn't say it's just played for laughs, I actually felt pretty bad for the guy and absolutely hated Trevor partially because of that. GTAV kind of strattles the line between comedy and seriousness so I suppose I can see someone taking issue with that particular subject matter. It's definitely not as bad as the "you can kill everybody in the game but I'm going to focus on the prostitutes because muh soggy knees" that's been going around.

That does make me wonder how I would feel about that subject matter in something like a Silent Hill game. Where you see glimpses of the player character committing implied sex assault. I wonder if tone would make the subject matter being more excusable to depict or if the subject is just best left out of video games. That is probably getting too far off topic though.

EDIT: Sorry for not acknowledging you, WhiteNachos, when having a similar point as Nods Respectfully Towards You.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Haha, this...

60% off Spiderman? FUCK YEAH! That's something that should have been reported when it happened.

 

[Artaneius]

You oppose the condemnation or you oppose the simulated acts of violence?

I think there is something puritan about butting into people's sex lives and telling adults what consensual acts they should and shouldn't do out of their own personal sense of "morality".

I oppose the simulated acts of violence. Men have no business engaging in sexual behavior that mimicks the violence they do to women outside the bedroom on a daily basis.

Our sexual behaviors can and do perpetuate oppressive social systems and are not beyond critique. There's nothing "moralizing" about it.

No shit. Cars haven't been around for thousands of years. Do you have a point?

The arguments about whether this stuff is offensive or encourages real life violence don't change based on how long the crime has been happening.

The point is that women aren't complaining because they "don't like it" - they're complaining because the actions being simulated happen *every goddamn day* and it's insensitive and shitty for men to derive enjoyment from simulating them while men are also going out and doing the actual violence.

And why does there need to be an "epidemic" of the crime before their complaints are valid? That just seems like a totally arbitrary criteria.

Because the complaint is that we should not make a fun little side thing in a game out of a serious crime that is currently very common and almost completely unopposed in our society. That's the whole point.

But if you insist, how about cops? I'm sure they've been murdered for thousands of years. Hell if you kill cops in the game you get a gun, which is far more useful than the petty cash you get for killing civilians.

I don't care about cops. I hate cops.

LOL, then we might as well as not even bother having entertainment at least according to your logic. We might as well as just wake up, go to work, come home and be family men, sleep, and repeat. There is absolutely no point in entertainment in general if it's forced to be like reality where we have to care about other people's bullshit feelings. If this is the reality of what you want where people's first want/need in entertainment to care two shits about reality problems then just burn my fucking computer and game systems. Entertainment is for enjoyment and that includes the "wrong kind" of enjoyment. Some people do actually like to play games to do things they can't do in real life. Hell, I remember playing GTA 3 back when I was 14 and just kill everyone, pretending it was anyone who pissed me off that day. Guess what? I'm 24 now and nothing bad happened. Never killed or abused anyone in real life.

Hell, I remember when I was dating girls back as a teenager and when things didn't work out I would play GTA 3, Vice City, or San Andreas and beat up random woman or hookers. Pretending that they were the girls that stood me up. Now at 24, I have a fiancee and have never hurt any girl or woman in real life. In fact, I would even go as far as say because I could do what I wanted in those games that I didn't do anything bad in real life. Games are great for stress reliving and allow you to do the things you can't do in reality and keep you from doing stupid shit.

People fail to realize that because of these games like GTA, a lot of people are kept in check about how they truly feel about things deep inside. Things could be a lot worse if people didn't have entertainment that allowed them to express the evil side in them.

 

[peruvianskys]

I won't speak about the whole issue regarding Target and the game, but I don't understand this part you just said. The whole point of SM and BDSM is to derive sexual pleasure from the pain or domination of others and in receiving such pain or being dominated. And honestly, if a woman willingly, knowingly wishes to be in the submissive role of such sexual behavior and wants a man to be in the dominant role, it's her choice. And if what both parties do are within the grounds of knowing, preparing and being ultimately consensual throughout the whole thing, how is this in anyway a problem or an issue? I though that this is what feminists have been fighting for and expressing emphasis on the whole time regarding peoples' sex lives?

What feminists have been fighting for this whole time is the liberation of women from male domination, and that task is not helped when we tell men it's okay for them to eroticize violence. Sexualizing the domination of women is the heart of patriarchy and male supremacy will never be dismantled as long as there are men who get a thrill from hurting women.

Anti-racists wouldn't support white folks watching videos of lynchings, right? And certainly Jewish community leaders wouldn't be happy about non-Jews sitting down and reading Mein Kampf to relax? So why would women be comfortable with men deriving emotional and physical satisfaction from doing violence to women?

Oh so because some men commit actual unwanted violence against women, men shouldn't be allowed to commit pretend violence or consensual violence with women, even if those women would enjoy it? Well more men are murdered by men than women so do you also object to men committing simulated acts of violence against other men? What about women committing these acts of violence?

It's not just that "some men" do it - it's that those acts of violence exist to prop up and perpetuate male supremacy. As men, we all have an obligation to oppose the things that give us unjust power over women, and that includes sexualized violence.

Yeah there's just unsupported theories about the harm it causes in the real world which happens in every moral panic.

I'm not claiming that this will cause men to go out and kill prostituted women. Men don't need any more excuses, they've been doing that since the beginning of time. What I'm more interested in is asking exactly what kind of society we have where violence against women is an enjoyable feature in a video game that millions of men play.

What a sexist thing to say. You are basically punishing men for the actions of other men they can't commit. That would be like me saying Muslims should not be allowed to play GTA IV (which takes place in a parody of New York) because of 9/11. I am not responsible for other people's actions because I share a gender.

You're responsible for opposing those actions because you benefit from them.

Why? People can seperate reality from fiction. And murder is unopposed in society? Oh yeah totally it's just one of the only crimes you can get the death penalty for here in the US. But yeah it's totally cool. Even when it's against prostitutes it's not supported.

The question is why there are men who enjoy the "fiction" of murdering women.

So you're not going to try to justify yourself. When it comes to people you don't like you don't care?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[chiggerwood]

Let's see, people are pissed off at Eminem for his song lyrics, and GTA is being blamed with violence. Why do I feel like I need to find my younger self and tell him to buy shares in apple?

 

[IceForce]

Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.

I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.

I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

But what they believe is right, don't you get it? If these organization would only listen to GamerGate the world would be a better place. But the SJWs just want to watch the world burn. BURN!

 

[endtherapture]

OMG, IT'S CENSORSH...

No, hang on, it's a business responding to customer feedback and choosing not to sell a specific product that is still freely available to anyone who wishes to buy it.

"We are your customers, listen to our feedback! Hear our voices! Obey our comm... whoa, whoa, don't listen to those customers, they're feminazi SJW marxists!"

Heh. I love you all. I really do.

Bingo! This is my response exactly - for a community that whines over and over about how retailers and developers won't listen to them, they sure do get upset when the same folks *start* listening...to the people they don't like.

Almost as immature as, say, petitioning to have a game removed from sale at a store because you, personally, find its content disagreeable?

Nobody was forcing these idiots to buy a copy of GTA V, this is just a company bending to the will of some reactionary puritan dipshits because they cried the loudest but, as others have rightly said, it won't stop people buying it elsewhere so, hey, if Target don't wanna stock one of the best-selling games of all time then that is literally their loss.

They aren't opposed to GTA 5 because they "find its content disagreeable" - they're opposed to GTA 5 because it allows you to murder prostituted women. That's not "puritanism". Puritans loved violence against women. This is a basic expression of feminism: We probably shouldn't turn violence against women into a hobby.

I've been told a hundred times by feminists that I am a feminist (I'm not) because I believe in the equality of genders. Man and woman, equal.

How comes GTA is being pulled for its portrayal of women then? Is violence against men a hobby? I expect Target to be pulling CoD, Battlefield, Dragon Age, Skyrim, and any other number of games with violence against men and women in for equality's sake then.

Your argument is highly flawed when violence against women being a hobby is a problem but it's fine when it is against a man.

 

[rob_simple]

Almost as immature as, say, petitioning to have a game removed from sale at a store because you, personally, find its content disagreeable?

Nobody was forcing these idiots to buy a copy of GTA V, this is just a company bending to the will of some reactionary puritan dipshits because they cried the loudest but, as others have rightly said, it won't stop people buying it elsewhere so, hey, if Target don't wanna stock one of the best-selling games of all time then that is literally their loss.

They aren't opposed to GTA 5 because they "find its content disagreeable" - they're opposed to GTA 5 because it allows you to murder prostituted women. That's not "puritanism". Puritans loved violence against women. This is a basic expression of feminism: We probably shouldn't turn violence against women into a hobby.

And what about all the men you can also murder in GTA V, did you conveniently forget about that? As usual, feminists are turning a non-issue into a gendered one.

Also, as far as I'm aware, there is little to no part of GTA that actually forces you to murder prostitutes, specifically; that's a choice afforded to the player by virtue of the fact that, in GTA, you can kill anyone.

 

[Ilovechocolatemilk]

Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.

I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

Name one game we've censored. If the hypocrisy levels are off the charts, it should be easy, shouldn't it?

 

[rob_simple]

Nobody was forcing these idiots to buy a copy of GTA V, this is just a company bending to the will of some reactionary puritan dipshits because they cried the loudest but, as others have rightly said, it won't stop people buying it elsewhere so, hey, if Target don't wanna stock one of the best-selling games of all time then that is literally their loss.

they are not idiots

no one is an idiot for looking at something and going "you know what? I can't abide this shit"

I don't have any interest in playing GTA V because its apparent that there's little appeal, I don't like how the game treats women (which I'm not just basing on player action)

its immature to get all pissy because people take moral issue with the things you like

They're not just looking at it and going, 'I don't like this' though, are they, they're looking at it and going 'I don't like this therefore I'm going to hamper the ability of other people to enjoy it'.

Your double-standards are as astounding as they are infuriating: You think it's immature for me to be irritated by moral crusaders restricting the sale of goods that they, personally, find objectionable but you find the action, itself, of restricting the sale of goods based on personal moral standings, to be completely acceptable behaviour.

People are free to be offended about whatever they choose, but they should not be allowed to impose those beliefs on others.

 

[Zeriah]

To be fair, not a single copy of GTAV was probably ever sold at Target Australia. Target's prices on games are worse than EB Games! And EB already price gouges like mad.=

That is actually completely false for new release games. Target and Big W's (Big W's prices are often slightly better) have by far the cheapest week one prices, often beating out even JB Hi-Fi by at least $5, sometimes up to $10. Examples: https://www.jbhifi.com.au/games-consoles/platforms/xbox-360/far-cry-4/617320/ http://www.target.com.au/p/far-cry-4-limited-edition-xbox-36/56917802 They were selling the Xbone/PS4 GTA V for $64. Their prices usually stabilize to that of JB Hi-Fi and their range suffers after the first few weeks though.

You can't even compare them to EB https://ebgames.com.au/xbox360-201741-Far-Cry-4-Limited-Edition-Xbox-360.

They were actually an extremely underrated place to buy games, their prices are usually comparable to the likes of Ozgameshop. They won't be getting my business anymore however. Though make sure to check out Big W if you have one near you or like to order online.

 

[ugeine]

I've been wishing Rockstar would remove the prostitutes from Grand Theft Auto for years. There's no point to them apart from to either shag or kill them. Why put them in the game in the first place? Hopefully this will convince Rockstar to leave them out of further games.

 

[Guerilla]

Like I said before, these sjws are the new McCarthyists. They want to blacklist and pressure private organizations into doing their will.

I can't believe a gamergater has written these words. I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading here.

Jesus Christ, the irony and hypocrisy is off the charts.

Abstract accusations about irony and hypocrisy without a shred of proof. Congrats on the post, it's as non-nonsensical as I'd expect.

 

[madster11]

Do people not realize that prostituted women are murdered and raped at such incredibly high rates that it rivals soldiers in active duty? It's not some pet peeve on the part of these women. They're survivors of serious violence who would rather that serious violence not be turned into a game for misogynistic men.

Prostitution is legal in australia and legitimate businesses are run with strict regulations to prevent any form of abuse.
Sure, it happens, but no where near enough for this to be a demographic to be specifically focused on.

Our police also heavily investigate any murder, no matter who the victim was or what they did.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well, in that case, I'm calling bullshit on you. Your position requires just as many facts as mine does.

My position is simply that you don't have the facts. My point was and can be summarised thusly:

Why would we assume otherwise without evidence?

I did not take the position that they did do their homework, only that it's ridiculous to assume they didn't without evidence. I would add that since they do collect and use data on sales, which doesn't particularly support your assumption.

Either you don't understand burden of proof or you're lying. I'm just not sure which.

Well the voices do like singing Sabaton and Amon Amarth a little too enthusiastically. Sometimes though they like to sing Justin Bieber in an even worse auto-tune than that little ... himself can. Let's just say that thats's what happens when people second guess them. It hurts. A lot. OH god ...

No! The adult skull isn't meant to contain those frequencies!

I'm on fire today. Really on fire. Fuck Australian summers.

Are you sure it wasn't Grand Theft Auto related? Perhaps we could start a consumer movement for you.

Don't you know, they're completely misrepresenting the game. THE HUMANITY.

Oh crap, you're right. I forgot that it was totally different now that it was something I cared about being misrepresented.

[sub/]next thing you'll be implying all those silly woman have a bad case of hysteria[/sub]

Do I have to break out the fainting couch?

It's funny just how blindingly hypocritical SJWs can be at times.

It's especially funny that you would quote that post as an example, given how hypocritical it was.