Term "blind playthrough" offensive, removed from Twitch

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This is the thin edge of the wedge. They start by limiting stuff nobody is too attached to, and once people become accustomed to that they move on to marginally bigger things. It's like the frog in a pot that's very slowly being heated, it's too gradual to notice the increase in temperature so you end up being boiled alive without realizing it.
This is also known as the Slippery Slope Fallacy.

No, you do not get to limit things with no rational connection to any sort of harm outside of your claims of one. You need evidence and research and facts to avoid having your act be deservedly ascribed the label of tyrannical.
You really do get to limit things in any way you like when you're running a for profit business and you can do it without any evidence or research because it is your business. You might not like it, but that's how free market capitalism works.
 

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This is also known as the Slippery Slope Fallacy.



You really do get to limit things in any way you like when you're running a for profit business and you can do it without any evidence or research because it is your business. You might not like it, but that's how free market capitalism works.

The principles that are the foundational blocks of the society that grants you the capacity to run businesses do not become suspended or less valid or valuable philosophically just because you are a business. This is some kinda capitalist myth that corporations have different sorts of rights and that when a corporation is eschewing a foundational block of our reality that it's less dire than if Bob down the corner were to do it.

You have a right to be tyrannical, sure, but I sure as hell am also gonna call you that if you are being a tyrant, despite having that right.


What is the benefit of NOT calling them tyrranical? What is the point of defending them? Are we all ancap libertarians all of a sudden? Dafuk?



And I'd say we've slipped so far down this slope where they're banning expression people who are supposed to be offended by can't even physically experience when using the default state of the website they're on and need to be made aware of it by someone else to the degree where it's definitely not a fallacy. First they banned the slurs and bad words, then they ban traps and other slang because random idiots who don't get the subculture were offended, now they're banning innocuous terms that have nothing to do with the supposed victims, that the victims can't even perceive. It's pretty damn slippery alright lol.
 
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Ok, just going to quote this bit, cause irony.
There's no irony there. Nothing remotely close to logic and sense being eroded is occuring when one calls their playthrough blind. It's idiocy like saying "black hole" is racist. That's not what the word means in that context. Words have contextual meanings that can vary and you do not get to pick the one you want and judge every use of a term as if it's that one meaning, irrespective of context. Language doesn't work that way. You can't make it work that way. You can't act as if it works that way when it doesn't.



I'll give you an example of twitch applying this; there was this WoW stream where people were making Nagas jokes, and while Nagas are a race of serpentine humanlike monsters that originate from Hindu myth, the people on twitch were using it as a substitute for a slur for black people, so the word Naga was banned because the context in which people were using it made it have a different meaning.


So yeah, they already had been applying the logic I'm laying out here with regards to the same word having different meanings. They're just being inconsistent and do not stick to the principle when it suits them not to if they can get some virtue signal points out of it.
 
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Someone from "The Left" got a job on the "Diversity and Inclusiveness" team, because their degrees in "Women's studies" and "Gender roles" didn't give them any other marketable skills.
A terrible degree that gives you the power to control the words people are allowed to use? Yeah, that degree sounds awful.
 
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The principles that are the foundational blocks of the society that grants you the capacity to run businesses do not become suspended or less valid or valuable philosophically just because you are a business. This is some kinda capitalist myth that corporations have different sorts of rights and that when a corporation is eschewing a foundational block of our reality that it's less dire than if Bob down the corner were to do it.

You have a right to be tyrannical, sure, but I sure as hell am also gonna call you that if you are being a tyrant, despite having that right.


What is the benefit of NOT calling them tyrranical? What is the point of defending them? Are we all ancap libertarians all of a sudden? Dafuk?
Oh shit, I get it now. This is just like that time my local restaurant changed their menu. I never tried their Pasta Alfredo and never intended to, but I sure let them know that it was tyranny of the highest order to deny their guests their Pasta Alfredo and offer Pasta Bolognese in lieu.
Similarly, I once went to my local game store and wanted to buy Exalted supplements. They said there wasn't enough demand for them to stock Exalted splats anymore. So I quickly jumped on the counter, pointed at the cashier and shouted "TYRANNY!" at the top of my lungs. Then I made a 10 minute speech about freedom of expression and how my right to buy Exalted in that particular store was being oppressed. When I was done the cashier was crying from shame and saying they knew they were being assholes. Then everyone in the store clapped and I got a Dungeon Master's Guide for free.

/irony, obviously.

Do you even realize how stupid it sounds that you demand that Twitch not chose what words they want to use on their platform because it is tyranny when they do so, but it is apparently fine that you demand they use other words. Also, do you even know what the word tyranny means?
 
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It's not the death of western civilization because this is a cancer that can be cut out and negated if we act now. But it is the beginnings of the very long, gradual death, that will not feel like death until it's already died and nobody is any wiser for it, sure.


When people point out things that are detrimental, it doesn't have to be the case that the detriment will be instantaneous or observable in an ostentatious way. Our principles of logic and sense being eroded is plenty enough.
My dude, they made the tag more logical and rational. "Spoiler free play through" is more descriptive and easier to translate than "blind play through". Using "blind" to describe going into something sight-unseen is an idiom.
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Ok, just going to quote this bit, cause irony.
Hey, we're talking about the tagging system on a streaming website, not drawings of naked fictional children, this is serious. šŸ§
 
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My dude, they made the tag more logical and rational. "Spoiler free play through" is more descriptive and easier to translate than "blind play through". Using "blind" to describe going into something sight-unseen is an idiom.
Spoiler free could mean that the player is going to avoid giving spoiler for the game they're playing even if they already played it. Ultimately "blind playtrhough" is an established term that the community knows. It's like metroidvania, you don't need to have played a metroid/castlevenia to know what it means and it can be used to refer to game outside those franchise.
 

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Spoiler free could mean that the player is going to avoid giving spoiler for the game they're playing even if they already played it. Ultimately "blind playtrhough" is an established term that the community knows. It's like metroidvania, you don't need to have played a metroid/castlevenia to know what it means and it can be used to refer to game outside those franchise.
...it's a video stream. It's fundamentally impossible to avoid spoilers. Maybe if you're speed-running, but if you're speed running a game you aren't doing a blind play through either.

Mostly though, it doesn't matter. Renaming the tag isn't another nail in the coffin of logic and rationality in the west
 

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My dude, they made the tag more logical and rational. "Spoiler free play through" is more descriptive and easier to translate than "blind play through". Using "blind" to describe going into something sight-unseen is an idiom.
Personally, I think "Spoiler free play through" is doubleplusungood
 

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My dude, they made the tag more logical and rational. "Spoiler free play through" is more descriptive and easier to translate than "blind play through". Using "blind" to describe going into something sight-unseen is an idiom.
What if someone is playing through the game blind, but doesn't mind spoilers in the chat?
 

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What if someone is playing through the game blind, but doesn't mind spoilers in the chat?
"No spoilers in comments, please" somewhere in the title or description? This is, once again, just a tag. You can still name your stream and edit your description however you like.
 
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We can call blind dates Spontaneous Potential Companionship Measurements too.
 

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Eh, fair enough. Might make it easier for VI streamers to advertise themselves if "blind" isn't being used in a metaphorical sense. Not like English is so limited a language that we can't get by without it.
 

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Twitch does retarded shit, what a surprise. That website is fucking garbage anyway.
 
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That's just retarded.

Sorry, it's mentally challenged. Or intellectually deficient? What's the PC term these days? I don't want to offend any morons who might be reading this.
 

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My dude, they made the tag more logical and rational. "Spoiler free play through" is more descriptive and easier to translate than "blind play through". Using "blind" to describe going into something sight-unseen is an idiom.

But that's not accurate when used in place of blind playthrough. Spoiler-free is more lax of a definition than blind. Spoiler free can allow for you to know non-spoiler things. For example, to some people's definition it isn't a spoiler to know what sorts of weapons or skills you use, cause those don't come up in the plot of the game or in missions but are purely gameplay-related. Meanwhile in a blind playthrough you'd also not be aware of any such information on TOP of spoilers, because you're actually going in blind.


But yeah I'm all for calling it something better if we can come to that consensus as a community and not by the decree of the eternally concerned.

First glimpse playthrough? Blackout playthrough? Cave playthrough? That last one may not be too apparent but I think all of them are more accurate than spoiler free.
 

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Wait, people still do that?

Might as well call it a MurderBaitDate
Met my girlfriend on a blind date. 8 years next March.
Come think of it that doesn't answer if people "still do that". Because, you know, 8 years. But I'm sure only a manageable amount of people are killed in them.