The Big Picture: Maddening

[twiceworn]

I agree 100%...

its like this... is the murder of a little child more despicable than the murder of a 20 something yearold?

of course it is...

why?


...


and thats why I think crimes against animals are Majorly under rated (by which I mean not frowned upon enough)



and for those who think that "someone who thinks that this is as evil a crime as murdering a person, yet eats meat and wears fur coats, is a HYPOCRITE!!" I could explain how you are wrong... but I can't be bothered...

just... you are wrong!

OK EXPLAIN AS IT IS THE SAME!!!
it is of no concern to the animals how they die THEY ARE DEAD
it is two faced and clearly a troll video made to get over 500 angry people posting and it worked

no, it is of no concern to the animals THAT THEY ARE DEAD. because they are dead.

I can assure you that the fear and pain they feel as they are dieing is of GREAT concern to them! thats why they yelp!!

honestly, I see no difference between this, and making homeless bums with no next of kin, fight to death using rusty blades.

do you? if you aren't a homeless bum, there is absolutely no difference... hell, in fact, thats probably better than using animals, atleast the homeless bum has the opportunity to get a job, and not be homeless, thus avoiding that fate... so yeah, using dogs is actually worse!

of corse they feel pain but if you are going to tell me that no animal drug tests do the same i will be forced to conclude that you are also a troll.also if you eat meat and are going to tell me no animal had ever suffered while becoming meat i will have to conclude that this is a veary uninformed TROLL

 

[Spinwhiz]

Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

He got his second chance - he's still playing professional football and getting paid obscene amounts of money for it. He's been given the opportunity to make a living off his athletic prowess. Anything other than that? He was a millionaire who got his jollies torturing and killing innocent animals. He can die in a damn fire.

Saying he could "die in a damn fire" sounds like something we regular plebians could get put on probation/suspension for. Damn shame you guys can abuse the system any way you feel like it.

It's not against the rules. She is not flaming anyone on this site, a group of people or a content creator. This goes the same for the person who would like to "shoot him (Vick) in the head".

Sooo... I get put on probation for a Sodomy joke, still about one guy. But! People here, including your own people, write extremly hateful thing about Vick and that's okay?

Seriously?

PM me with a link to that particular comment and I'll take a look at your post.

 

[Ihniwid]

Dog fighting is an illegal act in liberal states for a reason. He broke this law and he compensated the justice system for his actions.

Although any number of us can judge his crime and his character, the truth is we can only subject his actions to our opinions.

EA can't take him out of this contest. He's a free man in a society that holds freedom to be its driving force.

This is an American parodox. You consider freedom to be crucial. Yet you also place personal morals and beliefs to be just as important. You can do this because you are free do to so.

The problem, you see, is that neither the football player or those who are against his actions are wrong. You are both free peoples.

I hope he does get the Madden cover. It'll provide an example of this quaint and brutal American life.

 

[Orinon]

First off, I'm happy to see a break from all the
COMICS
ARE
WEIRD
like yeah their great but I do like these opinion videos, I didn't even know about Michael Vick, and I do agree heartily about how he is just a guy who's good at throwing a ball around.
because I never really got into sports probably because I suck at them.
that and the phrase
"It's just a dog."
I really hate the humans first attitude, now I eat meat to but we raised them for that, it's so we can survive so it has true purpose
(Though from what I'm hearing there are some amazing alternatives to beef)
argh I'm ranting better stop.
I'm orinon
and thats my comment

 

[Saltyk]

Hmmm, it always surprises me how people care so much about random animals. I wonder where that comes from...

Eh, weak episode

factory farming is morally on the same plane as dogfighting. if you eat meat, you eat it because you like the taste. any nutrients can be had from other sources for less cost.

Are you seriously saying that killing an animal to eat it is the same as torturing it for amusement? Don't you care about animals?

if you don't enjoy eating animals, there are alternatives, and they're more cost effective too.
greed drives profits from death in any case. I don't know why there's the need to draw a distinction.

So that's a no. The only thing that matters is making money.

the only thing that matters is not drawing arbitrary distinctions.
if you care about animals, don't eat meat and don't fight dogs.
to say that michael vick is bad because he made money off animal cruelty and that purdue chicken makes money off of animal cruelty but isn't bad-- makes no sense.

Actually there's more than he just killed a dog. Do you have any idea what it takes to make a dog fight another dog for no reason? Have you ever seen two dogs confront each other? They don't try to kill each other. They growl, snap, and may even bite, but confrontations usually end up with one dog walking away, tail between it's legs, before any blood is actually shed.

To actually make dogs fight requires training. But it's more like torture. Beatings, starving, even getting smaller weak dogs (think puppies or small breeds like a dachshund) to use as "bait" animals and have the "fighting dog" kill them. In this case, Vick had allegedly killed under-performing dogs by slamming them into the ground.

This isn't simply killing an animal to eat or feed others. This was a terrible act. It involved a lack of empathy that bordered on the psychotic.

Oh, and this wasn't about the money either. Vick was a Quarterback for the Atalanta Falcons and one of the most sought after players during his recruitment. He made plenty of money. In fact, I heard that he lost far more money then he made during the dog fights. He did this for "fun". For the enjoyment of it.

Michael Vick tortured and killed animals for sport. Movie Bob owns a hunting and fishing license. There's a difference between eating meat and going out and killing animals for fun. I'm not saying hunting is the worst thing ever, I just don't get out how you can condemn dog-fighting but support hunting. They're both unsavory in my book.

Are you seriously comparing dog fighting to hunting and fishing? When you hunt or fish, you are required to prepare, and wait for extended periods of time. It takes patience, knowledge and skill. Also, both activities are heavily regulated by the government. Hunters are required to have a license and only allowed to hunt during certain times with certain weapons. And if a Game Warden discovers you hunting during the wrong season, or without a license, or any other infraction like having too many kills, be prepared to lose your license and face any number of penalties.

Oh, and hunters and fishermen are known to do more to support wildlife than any other group. They give more money, and their organizations do more to fight to protect wilderness and wildlife than pretty much any other group. Also, every hunter I've ever talked to truly respects and enjoys nature.

By the way. I don't hunt or fish. I find both to be boring and I refuse to wake up early enough to do either activity.

 

[walsfeo]

Also, While I could really care less about Internet movie critics (or critics in general, for that matter) I hold them much higher on the scale than professional athletes. In fact, on a scale from 1 - 10 with 11 being the highest, Professional Athletes would be about 11... in the opposite direction of 0... anyone who makes that much money, and is not saving lives or advancing human society, will not be spared when I start conquering the world.

While I mostly agree I think sports serve a valuable function in society. I don't really care for sports and certainly couldn't be considered a fan, but sports serve as a cultural hook that helps bind communities together. By the same token many kids find inspiration in sports that give them the drive to accomplish and practice to achieve success.

But yeah, I've never understood how adults could find sports so engaging or have such pride in a team they aren't really a part of.

Also, EA should keep making those yearly sports games, because if morons keep buying them each year, that money in their pockets and hopefully loosening them up for new IPs. (optimistic and niave, yes.)

EA almost has to keep producing these each year. The primary market of video gaming sports fans probably aren't in the habit of purchasing via digital download. I'm just shocked they don't offer a different version for each franchise with a special team poster and pennant. I don't know the features of the Madden game, but they should offer a special "Madden Fantasy League" that purchasing the new game automatically gets you entrance into.

 

[Necromancer1991]

Good video, here's my opinion on the matter:

Yes he shouldn't be on the cover, yes what he did to those dogs was wrong, no "serving your time" isn't good enough.

I mean really I understand he's a great athlete, but than again so was OJ (Yes I am ready for the flaming), I mean really why do people seem dismissive of shit like that, 90% of serial killers START WITH ANIMALS, no I'm not saying Vick is going to put on a hockey mask and start killing people, no but the concept of dismissing such behavior is stupid. Again like bob I'm not blindly following Peta, but I do love animals and people who abuse animals are scum and deserve whatever they get and more.

 

[DTWolfwood]

All those other poor deserving footballers that didn't get chosen because this scumbag got chosen instead. a crying shame.

Seriously its a crying fucking shame. EA loves working up a scandal only to later cop out under pressure. (in this case, im more than happy to give them an attaboy for dropping out later)

As much animosity as i have for Activision, at the very least Kotick isn't bashful about what they do and doesn't let monkeys run their PR department.

 

[Benjamin Zeledon]

Just so I can be the counterpoint.

A) There are convicted murderer's in the NFL. PEOPLE CONVICTED OF KILLING OTHER PEOPLE WITH NO REMORSE! As well, Mike Tyson...and many others who've raped and killed as athletes...Yeah....Kobe

B) Vick is a douche, but know what...your aiming at a small narrow crap opinion on the issue. Once you've seen the whole damn thing, Vick was really just busted for having it in his house, not exactly doing it. He hung around crappy friends and he paid for it. Know what? His friends also got less time than him. He at least is doing respectable things now with the HUMANE SOCIETY and is working on fixing his errors. See dogfighting is a way of life where these people are from...he's from the poor shitholes of Virginia. This isn't a single issue, its actually a cultural phenomena like cockfighting. If you want to ***** about the crime...actually help out there...and what I mean is help with education out there and helping kids be happy with dogs and so forth...you know because Michael Vick should just be lynched as an example huh?

Though seriously, why make this man a pariah for something he did his time for and happened before. Read Les Mis or look at OJ. The constant pursuit of justice hurts more than helps. So people...just let it die. Sheesh.

Edit: Also, I love animals just in case someone tries that on me. I had a dog for 18 years. I just know the reality of these situations first-hand. It isn't pretty.

 

[bdcjacko]

Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

 

[Woodsey]

I'm with you, although this probably didn't warrant a new thread.

Further punishment of the guy undermines the entire point and role of the judicial process.

 

[bdcjacko]

Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

 

[ace_the_poet]

That was a bit over the top. Just because somebody does something irrefutably wrong, doesn't mean they don't deserve a second chance. I get it though. We probably shouldn't be glorifying the guy on a video game cover. Probably shouldn't.

 

[Trolldor]

He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

 

[thatcanadianguy]

anyone here who says "its just a dog" needs to actually WATCH a dogfight. its sick, its disgusting. and anyone. ANYONE, man woman or child, who both participates, and endorses it, should be thrown in the pit WITH those dogs.

you think this is a knee jerk reaction? just you go look up pictues of these dogs after a fight. its both sick, and sad that people derive pelasure from abuseing these animals this way.

and no, im not a peta fanatic. like moviebib, i hunt, wear leather, eat meat, all that. but hes right. theres a line in teh sand you just DO NOT CROSS. if i had my way, i;d be standing on the other side of that line with a shotgun..

 

[bdcjacko]

Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

No cause what everyone does is, read first couple of pages, an then post . . . . . . hence trying to create a topic to get my view out there for discussion. Unfortunately appears I'm only getting the attention of some wise ass.

Sorry if asking you to follow the rules comes off as being a wise ass. I reply to 20+ page threads and can still strike up a conversation with people there.

Also you watch the video wrong. He doesn't say Micheal Vick shouldn't be forgiven. He just says Micheal Vick shouldn't be celebrated and congratulated just because he got out of prison and had a good year of football.

 

[Cheddar]

LOOK EVERYONE! Im not EVEN going to get into the dog killing thing. lets just talk about football. Green Bay won. Aaron Rodgers is fucking amazing. He should be on the cover. There i said it. Fuck the atlanta falcons anyways...

 

[Icaruss]

I was going to write a long drawn out counter arguement but i think my postion can be summed up in two words.Dude.... really?

 

[Lionsfan]

He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

Well all those guys deserve redemption as well but because they don't get exposure they'll unfairly never get it. He already earned his second chance, it's called serving his prison time and following all the rules they laid out for him. What more does it take for him to "earn his second chance?" Does he have to cure cancer or some bullshit like that for him "to be worthy"?

LOOK EVERYONE! Im not EVEN going to get into the dog killing thing. lets just talk about football. Green Bay won. Aaron Rodgers is fucking amazing. He should be on the cover. There i said it. Fuck the atlanta falcons anyways...

I agree with you about the Rodgers thing, not because of the Dog Fighting Issue but because winning the Super Bowl (and having a damn good season) is better than having a great season (but a first round exit). But you do know Vick plays for the Eagles now right?

 

[Trolldor]

He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

Well all those guys deserve redemption as well but because they don't get exposure they'll unfairly never get it. He already earned his second chance, it's called serving his prison time and following all the rules they laid out for him. What more does it take for him to "earn his second chance?" Does he have to cure cancer or some bullshit like that for him "to be worthy"?

Prison isn't redemption. It's punishment.
He's done jack shit to make amends, and he never will. He's a scummy human being who takes pleasure in watching the pain and suffering of living animals.


...in that way he's not so much different to the average football fan.