What year were you born? No I'm being serious because TMNT was the shit in the 80's and 90's.Axolotl said:Wait a minute a here, there's one thing I don't understand:
Are there really a significant number of people who care about TMNT?
What year were you born? No I'm being serious because TMNT was the shit in the 80's and 90's.Axolotl said:Wait a minute a here, there's one thing I don't understand:
Are there really a significant number of people who care about TMNT?
This is an excellent point that never would have occurred to me. You get my Gold Star for ExcellenceWhiteFangofWar said:Your older audience, the ones who would understand a 'gritty' reboot, are used to the silly 80s show. If you stick closely to that, the kid audience you could have pulled in like hotcakes twenty years ago might not even know what TMNT is (might be wrong, I'm not sure how popular the '03 version was among the younger crowds). That's the trap they're in, the same one that plagues Transformers and any other 80s cartoon properties they want to try rebooting.
...What?! I grew up in a Nintendo house during the 90's and still think Dr. Eggman is a stupid name.DVS BSTrD said:You won't call him Dr. Eggman for the same reason we won't call that ending Mass Effect.
Just a point of order here: The Kyle Rayner "Green Lantern" lasted a DECADE, and while HEAT probably claims a certain amount of credit for the retcon, it was Geoff Johns - a fan who worked his way up to be an official DC Wrtier - who CHOSE to bring Hal back.DVS BSTrD said:I think you're confusing courage with hypocrisy, or did I miss the part in <color=green>Going Green where he DIDN'T applaud Jeff John's "caving into" fan pressure and ret-conning Hall Jordan's transformation into Parallax?Dr. Witticism said:Holy shit. It took a lot of courage for him to post last week's video on here, regardless of whether or not you agree with his opinion. Do we now have to make non-Mass Effect threads into Mass Effect threads as well, now? Please just stop already. Go create a separate thread like all the other ME3 threads. There are so many already; we don't need people to hijack non-ME3 threads now.DVS BSTrD said:Hey Bob I got a proposal for you: We'll admit we weren't into the underground comics first when YOU admit you had ZERO understanding of "that other thing mentioned" in last week's episode. Deal?
You won't call him Dr. Eggman for the same reason we won't call that ending Mass Effect.
Plus, the two examples aren't in any way similar. ME3's ending was made by the same people, based on the same universe, and incorporated the same characters and elements from the first two. There are no other versions of Mass Effect. There are no preceding comics or other Mass Effect things from other mediums or times. That's it.
And as for "preceding" material for Mass Effect? Try the preceding games, novels or even the rest of ME3 excluding the last 10 minutes. It's not that the story was transplanted from another medium or given to different creators, but that, like with changing Robotnik's name to Eggman, they made it into something that it wasn't.
I know it was popular then, I just can't grasp why anyone cares about it now. I mean I get caring about today's pop culture stuff and I get caring about the great works of the past but I just cannot understand why people give a damn about the pop trash of the past. Hell I can sort of get why people might want to go back and experience/revisit the franchise from back when it was something, but why care what they do with it now? It's time has passed, that Hollywood is making a film of it should merely highlight their own idiocy and artistic bankruptcy. But somehow there are people who care, I just don't get that. Why? Why care now?Hazy992 said:What year were you born? No I'm being serious because TMNT was the shit in the 80's and 90's.Axolotl said:Wait a minute a here, there's one thing I don't understand:
Are there really a significant number of people who care about TMNT?
I dunno they just do. If it was a big part of their childhood memories then they're bound to remember it arent they?Axolotl said:I know it was popular then, I just can't grasp why anyone cares about it now. I mean I get caring about today's pop culture stuff and I get caring about the great works of the past but I just cannot understand why people give a damn about the pop trash of the past. Hell I can sort of get why people might want to go back and experience/revisit the franchise from back when it was something, but why care what they do with it now? It's time has passed, that Hollywood is making a film of it should merely highlight their own idiocy and artistic bankruptcy. But somehow there are people who care, I just don't get that. Why? Why care now?Hazy992 said:What year were you born? No I'm being serious because TMNT was the shit in the 80's and 90's.Axolotl said:Wait a minute a here, there's one thing I don't understand:
Are there really a significant number of people who care about TMNT?
Ugh, great. Now it's a conspiracy theory. I hate it when people think they know what others are thinking based on specious arguments and unsubstantiated conclusions.DVS BSTrD said:Don't tell us we set back gaming ten years when OUR favorite stories and characters get trampled on and the "official" creators CHOSE to address OUR grievances quicker than Valve time. This isn't a transformation story ark we could've had some decent justification or explanation. This is a NON-conclusion born of a NON-choice the director "says" he put in just to be controversial. It doesn't fit with the way Mass Effect tells it's story at all. It's made all the more personal by the fact that we had been repeatedly told that the choices WE had made in the game would effect the story's outcome, That's NOT what we got Bob. It's not that we got a unhappy ending like Hal did (Hal had a Good reason to turn evil), we didn't get a WORTHY ending. Hell have you even heard of the Indoctrination theory? The very PREMISE of that is that Shepard was brainwashed into submitting to them, and the the final choice is actually a hallucination. FANS WOULD RATHER BELIEVE SHEPARD FAILED THAN ACCEPT THE ENDING BIOWARE GAVE THEM. And the fact Bioware caved so quickly implies that they had already planned for this. In other words, deliberately withholding the REAL conclusion to the Mass Effect story just to milk the fans. Along with all the other crap Bioware pulled with this game, can you understand why we would be a liiiiiiiiiiiitle upset by this?MovieBob said:Just a point of order here: The Kyle Rayner "Green Lantern" lasted a DECADE, and while HEAT probably claims a certain amount of credit for the retcon, it was Geoff Johns - a fan who worked his way up to be an official DC Wrtier - who CHOSE to bring Hal back.DVS BSTrD said:I think you're confusing courage with hypocrisy, or did I miss the part in <color=green>Going Green where he DIDN'T applaud Jeff John's "caving into" fan pressure and ret-conning Hall Jordan's transformation into Parallax?Dr. Witticism said:Holy shit. It took a lot of courage for him to post last week's video on here, regardless of whether or not you agree with his opinion. Do we now have to make non-Mass Effect threads into Mass Effect threads as well, now? Please just stop already. Go create a separate thread like all the other ME3 threads. There are so many already; we don't need people to hijack non-ME3 threads now.DVS BSTrD said:Hey Bob I got a proposal for you: We'll admit we weren't into the underground comics first when YOU admit you had ZERO understanding of "that other thing mentioned" in last week's episode. Deal?
You won't call him Dr. Eggman for the same reason we won't call that ending Mass Effect.
Plus, the two examples aren't in any way similar. ME3's ending was made by the same people, based on the same universe, and incorporated the same characters and elements from the first two. There are no other versions of Mass Effect. There are no preceding comics or other Mass Effect things from other mediums or times. That's it.
And as for "preceding" material for Mass Effect? Try the preceding games, novels or even the rest of ME3 excluding the last 10 minutes. It's not that the story was transplanted from another medium or given to different creators, but that, like with changing Robotnik's name to Eggman, they made it into something that it wasn't.