*Points to the DS-Store, Camera, Music Player, Picture Viewer, Built-In Web Browser, built-in RAM, SD-Card slot and Camera on the DSi* I'm pretty sure that the PSP all of those before the DS did.Phenakist said:To me it seems like Sony are just ripping ideas off the big N... again...
If you want a phone, get a f**king phone! It's not meant to be a phone, it's meant to be a games console!MarsProbe said:A task at which it will likely fail at, due to its tragic misfortune of not being a phone.
I facepalmed when I saw that lol. His statement not yours.Megacherv said:*Points to the DS-Store, Camera, Music Player, Picture Viewer, Built-In Web Browser, built-in RAM, SD-Card slot and Camera on the DSi* I'm pretty sure that the PSP all of those before the DS did.Phenakist said:To me it seems like Sony are just ripping ideas off the big N... again...
I'm just saying, as there are phones around these days that can carry out all the tasks I can imagine them wanting the new PSP to perform and I don't know about other people, but I'd much rather buy a PSP Go! to play games on. I'm not really interested in having a camera or satnav on my portable games console.Megacherv said:If you want a phone, get a f**king phone! It's not meant to be a phone, it's meant to be a games console!
Exactly why I'm not buying it.WinterSoldier said:No second analog nub? What?
Epic win.deathsong17 said:Would you like your burger LittleBig sized?METC said:I could use a Bacon and Killzone Burger right about now.Ranooth said:Sony should really stick to managing their grill....... i mean console
The DS seems to do fine without any analog sticks, so I see no reason why the PSP must be so desperate for two.WrongSprite said:Exactly why I'm not buying it.WinterSoldier said:No second analog nub? What?
Ok, lets see, Gameboy pocket had a camera, so unless the Psp has been out about.. 9 years or so? And I'm pretty sure I saw a music player of sorts on the GBA. DS has had all those things before the DSi, they just haven't been official Nintendo products, the DSi is Nintendo incorporating all these things so the average joe that buys one will feel 100% comfortable in buying it.Megacherv said:*Points to the DS-Store, Camera, Music Player, Picture Viewer, Built-In Web Browser, built-in RAM, SD-Card slot and Camera on the DSi* I'm pretty sure that the PSP all of those before the DS did.Phenakist said:To me it seems like Sony are just ripping ideas off the big N... again...
The funny thing is...you don't NEED two sticks to play games. The ONLY genre that truly requires two sticks is the FPS genre..and really, there have been games on the system that have shown how you can work around it. That and big friggen whoop, we got enough shooters as it is, we don't need more. Anyone who complains about lack of dual analog needs to quiet down and rethink their argument because really...name any other genre that ABSOLUTELY needs it. And NO camera control doesn't count because that can be accommodated by good programming.Jumplion said:The DS seems to do fine without any analog sticks, so I see no reason why the PSP must be so desperate for two.WrongSprite said:Exactly why I'm not buying it.WinterSoldier said:No second analog nub? What?
I'm really getting sick of these rumours, can we just shut up about them already? I would really like to know the sources these people are getting it from to see how "reliable" they are.
Um, that's precisely why the PSP has done it before the DS. I'm sure you can find a music player for the Atari 2600, but that doesn't mean that it was supported by Atari. The PSP had music, movie, TV, and game playing all integrated into one system, all supported by Sony. Nintendo has not done any of that stuff until the DSi, and if they did they never fully integrated it.Phenakist said:Ok, lets see, Gameboy pocket had a camera, so unless the Psp has been out about.. 9 years or so? And I'm pretty sure I saw a music player of sorts on the GBA. DS has had all those things before the DSi, they just haven't been official Nintendo products, the DSi is Nintendo incorporating all these things so the average joe that buys one will feel 100% comfortable in buying it.Megacherv said:*Points to the DS-Store, Camera, Music Player, Picture Viewer, Built-In Web Browser, built-in RAM, SD-Card slot and Camera on the DSi* I'm pretty sure that the PSP all of those before the DS did.Phenakist said:To me it seems like Sony are just ripping ideas off the big N... again...
Ok, the GBP did have a camera, and games to go with it, that makes it a "thing" it might not compare but the fact is Nintendo did it first, capabilites don't come into it, case closed.Jumplion said:Um, that's precisely why the PSP has done it before the DS. I'm sure you can find a music player for the Atari 2600, but that doesn't mean that it was supported by Atari. The PSP had music, movie, TV, and game playing all integrated into one system, all supported by Sony. Nintendo has not done any of that stuff until the DSi, and if they did they never fully integrated it.Phenakist said:Ok, lets see, Gameboy pocket had a camera, so unless the Psp has been out about.. 9 years or so? And I'm pretty sure I saw a music player of sorts on the GBA. DS has had all those things before the DSi, they just haven't been official Nintendo products, the DSi is Nintendo incorporating all these things so the average joe that buys one will feel 100% comfortable in buying it.Megacherv said:*Points to the DS-Store, Camera, Music Player, Picture Viewer, Built-In Web Browser, built-in RAM, SD-Card slot and Camera on the DSi* I'm pretty sure that the PSP all of those before the DS did.Phenakist said:To me it seems like Sony are just ripping ideas off the big N... again...
One tiny camera that just happened to be on a GBA pocket does not compare to one system with 5 times the capabilities of it. You can argue that it's already happened with Cell Phones, but phones don't have a primary function for games.
Eh... I can see why it would help. I mean I hate to join the choir and all, but my first thought with Resistance Retribution was, "man, this would be really kick ass with a second analogue stick." Using the X, O, triangle, square buttons to look around is functional, but far from ideal.-Seraph- said:The funny thing is...you don't NEED two sticks to play games. The ONLY genre that truly requires two sticks is the FPS genre..and really, there have been games on the system that have shown how you can work around it. That and big friggen whoop, we got enough shooters as it is, we don't need more. Anyone who complains about lack of dual analog needs to quiet down and rethink their argument because really...name any other genre that ABSOLUTELY needs it. And NO camera control doesn't count because that can be accommodated by good programming.
Also proof you don't need 2 sticks for shooters: Goldeneye, yea any and all rebuttals are moot unless you didn't like goldeneye.
I know it was to Jumplion but seriously, "Announce a PSP containg everything the DSi has"? Nothing has been announced just a report from 1up that is from "sources" (a rumor) and this one makes no mention about a built in camera or touchscreen except that Sony's Mylo 2 has those two features.Phenakist said:Sony have a distinct habit of copying Nintendo and Microsoft and hardly do anything original themselves, this case isn't much different, they announce a Psp containing everything the DSi has, and when Nintendo do something they do it right, and don't need to rip other companies off.
Fair enough and I can see where your coming from. I just find it so damn annoying how people constantly complain about something that isn't entirely necessary. Quite frankly it doesn't bother me, aesthetic wise I could care less as I'm a functionality person. Really is the problem that bad but people can still go back and play their N64's and not complain?Maet said:snip
My whole point was that Nintendo did little to support integration of media, Nintendo hardly "perfected" it.Phenakist said:Ok, the GBP did have a camera, and games to go with it, that makes it a "thing" it might not compare but the fact is Nintendo did it first, capabilites don't come into it, case closed.
Sony have a distinct habit of copying Nintendo and Microsoft and hardly do anything original themselves, this case isn't much different, they announce a Psp containing everything the DSi has, and when Nintendo do something they do it right, and don't need to rip other companies off.
Consoles need to develop with what comes out from them before new models come out, for example, GBA - GBA SP. GBA's screen was too dark, they went through to many batteries etc. on the SP they improve it because it was necessary.
Psp - Psp Go!. Lets copy Nintendo because we failed on the PS3 and make some money back.
Even if Sony did do these things "first", Nintendo perfected them first.
And whats up with the name... it sounds like something a 5 year old would come up with.
*waits for the go at "Wii"*
I want a second analog for games like Armored Core and Monster Hunter to be true to their forms on PS2/PS3. Having 2 more triggers would be nice too, now that I think about it...Maet said:Eh... I can see why it would help. I mean I hate to join the choir and all, but my first thought with Resistance Retribution was, "man, this would be really kick ass with a second analogue stick." Using the X, O, triangle, square buttons to look around is functional, but far from ideal.-Seraph- said:The funny thing is...you don't NEED two sticks to play games. The ONLY genre that truly requires two sticks is the FPS genre..and really, there have been games on the system that have shown how you can work around it. That and big friggen whoop, we got enough shooters as it is, we don't need more. Anyone who complains about lack of dual analog needs to quiet down and rethink their argument because really...name any other genre that ABSOLUTELY needs it. And NO camera control doesn't count because that can be accommodated by good programming.
Also proof you don't need 2 sticks for shooters: Goldeneye, yea any and all rebuttals are moot unless you didn't like goldeneye.
About your argument that no other genre really needs a second analogue stick, I think, is besides the point. It's like saying that not every game uses the left shoulder trigger, so I think we'll just omit it the next time around. Honestly, at this stage in the game, there's no reason for Sony not to just include the damn thing. Even from a purely aesthetic point of view, the lack of a second analogue stick breaks the unit's symmetry. A second stick wouldn't even be obtrusive or a pain in the ass to deal with. It could only add convenience and versatility.