The Official Fallout 3 Thread.
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It's ok I'm sure lobbing mini nukes at communist Chinese commandoes in Alaska won't be as awesome as it sounds.Bowstring said:
Yeah the cap is 20. You don't have to stop playing, but in this game the only real reward for anything is leveling so there wasn't anything to gain out of exploring, which is why I decided to up the cap and carry on with my exploring.needausername said:I pretty much do that anyway... and is the cap 20, or can you keep going up through grinding?Nivag said:Oh, like, yeah I completed the game a while back after I got to level 20. Now I've changed the level cap and kept on exploring. I don't wear power armor because when you get to a small gun skill of 100, armour really makes no difference as nothing ever reaches you. I just wear stuff that looks coolneedausername said:Nice, you got stuff in your house yet? Also, you know how to use power armorNivag said:I did a hell of a lot of exploring and rarely came back without a full inventory. I haven't played for a while but I definitely have over 40k.needausername said:I have a constant of 1000 caps, if I buy something expensive I replenish them quickly, but stop once I get to about 1000Nivag said:Ah. I only killed TP. I don't intend to murder anyone who I can trade withneedausername said:Though tbh I'm loaded now.
If you play it on PC, go to the console and type 'setgs iMaxCharacterLevel XX' replace the XX with the number you want. I go with 55 because that's what it is in Oblivion. Downside is you have to do it everytime you load the game.
There are five. The other two are at the end of the railway out of Evergreen Mills (It spawns when you enter a particular overturned railway carriage, look for a wire cage with a teddy bear in), and at Takoma Industrial.Richard Groovy Pants said:
Yeah. It's got a bit of a herd of ordinary muties with it as well.Richard Groovy Pants said:
Save it for last and use the MIRV on it \o/
No, leveling wasn't the point in Oblivion, but you actually got something out of doing quests rather than a handful of caps. Oblivion was more fun to explore because some of the views are actually beautiful. In Fallout 3 there's a couple of cool places and a couple of cool views, but at the end of the day it's just rubble and debris. I didn't miss the "point" in Fallout 3 because the "point" is basically the main quest line. I have visited every vault and done side-quests like the Oasis. I can't say I've done them all but you're basically flaming me because I found a way to keep myself interested.Richard Groovy Pants said:Wow, you're the first person to say something like that. This isn't a mmorpg, leveling isn't the 'reward' it's exploring. Be honest have you found every location yet? Have you done every side quest after finishing the main quest? I'm pretty sure you haven't because you missed the point of Fallout 3 and the TES series, was Oblivion 'reward' the leveling system?Nivag said:Yeah the cap is 20. You don't have to stop playing, but in this game the only real reward for anything is leveling so there wasn't anything to gain out of exploring, which is why I decided to up the cap and carry on with my exploring.needausername said:I pretty much do that anyway... and is the cap 20, or can you keep going up through grinding?Nivag said:Oh, like, yeah I completed the game a while back after I got to level 20. Now I've changed the level cap and kept on exploring. I don't wear power armor because when you get to a small gun skill of 100, armour really makes no difference as nothing ever reaches you. I just wear stuff that looks coolneedausername said:Nice, you got stuff in your house yet? Also, you know how to use power armorNivag said:I did a hell of a lot of exploring and rarely came back without a full inventory. I haven't played for a while but I definitely have over 40k.needausername said:I have a constant of 1000 caps, if I buy something expensive I replenish them quickly, but stop once I get to about 1000Nivag said:Ah. I only killed TP. I don't intend to murder anyone who I can trade withneedausername said:
I couldn't care less about my level, heck I can blast trough the main quest on level 3. Now finding out the Alien Spaceship, the Dunwhich building, every vault, every little interesting place like the Oasis is what rewards in this game. The reward is to actually see those places for yourself, what's the reward of traveling to a country in real life? What's the reward of tourism? To see the Eiffel Tower, the Crystal Palace, the Statue of Liberty for yourself right?
Probably one of the most awesome moments in gaming was when I decided to explore the Capitol building only then to find out the Talon Company fighting the Super Mutants for it, then as I go inside there it is, a Super Mutant Behemoth fighting more Talon Company mercenaries as I try to hide in the middle of corpses flying and explosions, after that massive clash I struggle to get outside only to see 2-3 Enclave Vertibirds descending from the sky, now the Enclave joins the fight. I grab my Fat Man and start dumping nukes on everything that moves as Dogmeat barks against the Enclave soldiers, after several fiery explosions it all stops.
I stand victorious, and as I look around I only see corpses, death still prevails in this dystopian future.
That was pure awesome.
Out of all the exploring I've done in Fallout 3, all I have to show for it is a cool rifle and some armour that talks to me, which I don't even wear. In Oblivion there were unique things to find everywhere and it felt like an accomplishment. It gives you the feeling that you actually stand somewhere within that story. Things like killing a tree for some people I'll never even see again, killing a couple of people who think they're insects and robots and helping slaves migrate to a statue I couldn't care less about don't really seem that great.
I actually agree with you. Just not this game. Most of it looks the same. I'd happily trade any posession for NEW places to explore. Things like the Oasis. That was the only place in the game that caught my eye. Everything else is dull and I wouldn't trade something cool for another dust-covered city just because it had a small back-story. Ok some of them are kind of cool but this game isn't good or popular enough (amongst my mates) to care about having text-book knowlege about everything.Richard Groovy Pants said:See? You are missing the point of Fallout 3. And if you say the same about Oblivion then you are missing the point of Oblivion as well, I think everyone here can agree that Fallout 3 and Oblivion main quests are the WEAKEST part of the game, this game is about exploration, not the main quest, fuck the storyline for all I care.Nivag said:No, leveling wasn't the point in Oblivion, but you actually got something out of doing quests rather than a handful of caps. Oblivion was more fun to explore because some of the views are actually beautiful. In Fallout 3 there's a couple of cool places and a couple of cool views, but at the end of the day it's just rubble and debris. I didn't miss the "point" in Fallout 3 because the "point" is basically the main quest line.Richard Groovy Pants said:Wow, you're the first person to say something like that. This isn't a mmorpg, leveling isn't the 'reward' it's exploring. Be honest have you found every location yet? Have you done every side quest after finishing the main quest? I'm pretty sure you haven't because you missed the point of Fallout 3 and the TES series, was Oblivion 'reward' the leveling system?Nivag said:Yeah the cap is 20. You don't have to stop playing, but in this game the only real reward for anything is leveling so there wasn't anything to gain out of exploring, which is why I decided to up the cap and carry on with my exploring.needausername said:I pretty much do that anyway... and is the cap 20, or can you keep going up through grinding?Nivag said:Oh, like, yeah I completed the game a while back after I got to level 20. Now I've changed the level cap and kept on exploring. I don't wear power armor because when you get to a small gun skill of 100, armour really makes no difference as nothing ever reaches you. I just wear stuff that looks coolneedausername said:Nice, you got stuff in your house yet? Also, you know how to use power armorNivag said:I did a hell of a lot of exploring and rarely came back without a full inventory. I haven't played for a while but I definitely have over 40k.needausername said:I have a constant of 1000 caps, if I buy something expensive I replenish them quickly, but stop once I get to about 1000Nivag said:Ah. I only killed TP. I don't intend to murder anyone who I can trade withneedausername said:
I couldn't care less about my level, heck I can blast trough the main quest on level 3. Now finding out the Alien Spaceship, the Dunwhich building, every vault, every little interesting place like the Oasis is what rewards in this game. The reward is to actually see those places for yourself, what's the reward of traveling to a country in real life? What's the reward of tourism? To see the Eiffel Tower, the Crystal Palace, the Statue of Liberty for yourself right?
Probably one of the most awesome moments in gaming was when I decided to explore the Capitol building only then to find out the Talon Company fighting the Super Mutants for it, then as I go inside there it is, a Super Mutant Behemoth fighting more Talon Company mercenaries as I try to hide in the middle of corpses flying and explosions, after that massive clash I struggle to get outside only to see 2-3 Enclave Vertibirds descending from the sky, now the Enclave joins the fight. I grab my Fat Man and start dumping nukes on everything that moves as Dogmeat barks against the Enclave soldiers, after several fiery explosions it all stops.
I stand victorious, and as I look around I only see corpses, death still prevails in this dystopian future.
That was pure awesome.
A lot of people I know haven't even finished the main quest in Morrowind and Oblivion including myself for that matter because they simply couldn't be arsed, they had tons of interesting side quests and mods to keep them entertained.
I'm not 'flaming' you, I'm calling you out on something,
let me try to explain this in a less stupid way I'm trying to debate something to reach a consensus on it, to attain a certain untouched truth on it, in ancient Greece this was called a discussion, which I think fits a gaming discussion forum (another Greek word by the way), I understand that people don't like to be called out on stuff but you can't ignore something forever.
Oh I get it, you're the instant gratification kind of gamer, well that's not something bad, but what about the visuals? You can say that you explored the Dunwich building and now you know what happened there, a player that didn't cant. You've gained knowledge about it, the player which didn't cant. See where I'm trying to get at? Someone that went to Paris and saw the Eiffel Tower can describe it with a lot more detail than someone who happened to catch a glimpse of it on the TV.
I'd happily trade my Tesla Armor in Fallout 3 and all the 20 bobbleheads I've gathered from my adventures for new places to explore with new stories to unfold, worldy possessions are over rated anyways.
In real life, it's different. I happily visit historical buildings and monuments because it's something I can say I've done and talk about with people. I don't however, plan to tell my kids about places I've been in Fallout 3.
I'm not trying to deny that this is a discussion. But you have to understand that the point in a game is to play and enjoy it. I had a hell of a lot of fun on Oblivion. I did a hell of a lot of things and spent a lot of time on it. You can't tell someone like that they haven't gotten the bloody point. It's one of my favourite games. I left the main quest line until about my third character because I don't give a shit about the main quest line. In Fallout it's pretty much the only thing there is.
I gunned me down some ChiCom ghoul commandos last weekend. Their propaganda radio station amused me. Afterwards, I had a pleasant stroll through Arlington's memorials for some quiet reflection.
My point is that there are a ton of ways to play Fallout; tourism, powergaming, combat, carebearing, stealth... whatever revs your motor. (Well, except for competitive or coop multiplayer.)
-- Steve
My point is that there are a ton of ways to play Fallout; tourism, powergaming, combat, carebearing, stealth... whatever revs your motor. (Well, except for competitive or coop multiplayer.)
-- Steve
I've started playing a neutral-aligned character specialising in Big Guns and Explosives, and I have to say it's quite a lot of fun, more so than I expected it to be (though unfortunately not all quests have neutral options, especially in the main story... annoying). Robot enemies can be tough to take down, but so long as I've got a supply of Pulse Grenades, I'm good to go. There's nothing as satisfying as blowing four people up in a row with one VATS use... and that includes melting them into puddles of green goo with the Plasma Rifle.
Anton P. Nym is right--there are a lot of ways to enjoy Fallout--that's the kind of game it is that different people will get different things out if it.
I will say, though, that I think Fallout 3 is very much more about the journey and not the destination, and someone who's purely goal oriented--and especially oriented toward simple, quantitative goals like XP and loot--are going to get bored with Fallout 3 very quickly. AIN'T NOTHING WRONG with having those kind of goals. Sometimes all I want is a good crawl with some character power-building action and a monty haul--it's terribly good fun.But when I'm in the mood for that, Fallout 3 is NOT what I'd load up. Because yes, the leveling aspect IS weak in the game. It's just not what the game is for.
(That said, yes, if raising the level cap seems to make the game suddenly fun again, go for it.)
For me, it's the discovery not just of places, but of the million little stories attached to the places (not the main story, which just plainly isn't any fun for me). Who put this here? Why? Why's this crazy chick acting like this? I like looking at the little details that give the world life--even just something brief like seeing two corpses clutching each other, I see a story in that it stops and make me think a second. Or finding stuff like the Lincoln Shrine (no, not the memorial; something else) or answering all the tiny little radio distress signals. I don't really care much about the XP, I just like turning over every rock and seeing what's there--because usually, there is something interesting to me, even if it's not something I can add to my inventory.
'Course, there's also the times I just want to go in and blow things' heads off for awhile. That's rewarding too. Who needs XP when the sheer joy of watching limbs fly off in different directions is enough?
But in the end, nice thing about a single player game is you don't have to worry about playing it the "right way." If you're not enjoying it though, I wouldn't say so much that you're doing it wrong as it just doesn't offer enough for your play style. Fortunately, this is a good season for new games.
I will say, though, that I think Fallout 3 is very much more about the journey and not the destination, and someone who's purely goal oriented--and especially oriented toward simple, quantitative goals like XP and loot--are going to get bored with Fallout 3 very quickly. AIN'T NOTHING WRONG with having those kind of goals. Sometimes all I want is a good crawl with some character power-building action and a monty haul--it's terribly good fun.But when I'm in the mood for that, Fallout 3 is NOT what I'd load up. Because yes, the leveling aspect IS weak in the game. It's just not what the game is for.
(That said, yes, if raising the level cap seems to make the game suddenly fun again, go for it.)
For me, it's the discovery not just of places, but of the million little stories attached to the places (not the main story, which just plainly isn't any fun for me). Who put this here? Why? Why's this crazy chick acting like this? I like looking at the little details that give the world life--even just something brief like seeing two corpses clutching each other, I see a story in that it stops and make me think a second. Or finding stuff like the Lincoln Shrine (no, not the memorial; something else) or answering all the tiny little radio distress signals. I don't really care much about the XP, I just like turning over every rock and seeing what's there--because usually, there is something interesting to me, even if it's not something I can add to my inventory.
'Course, there's also the times I just want to go in and blow things' heads off for awhile. That's rewarding too. Who needs XP when the sheer joy of watching limbs fly off in different directions is enough?
But in the end, nice thing about a single player game is you don't have to worry about playing it the "right way." If you're not enjoying it though, I wouldn't say so much that you're doing it wrong as it just doesn't offer enough for your play style. Fortunately, this is a good season for new games.
Damn, I think I killed all the traders... Anybody know where I can get some ammo? Buying it, I mean, I know I can search around but I only have 3 points of luck so scavenger is out of the question, and I'm level nineteen so I cant upgrade that with intense training... So far I've killed moria, flak & shrapnell, pretty much everyone in paradise falls, megaton, rivet city and Tenprnny tower... Can anybody help? Also, what the fuck? I cant continue after the end? Good thing I had an old save file...