To anyone who thinks piracy is ok
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It's a conspiracy, isn't it? /sarcasmGarak73 said:
To the companies using DRM, piracy is the same as used games: either way, they don't make money from it. And either way, DRM makes it difficult for anyone who doesn't buy straight from the developer.
Exactly. DRM is only a band-aid solution. What they really need to do is listen to the supply/demand cycle and lower the prices of the games. I'm sure plenty more people would buy games instead of downloading, or even take a risk on a game they hadn't heard much about, if the average price was $30-$40 instead of $50-$60The_Puppy_Prince said:
Unfortunatly, the world doesn't work like that.Mijojo said:
Say a Game Developer gets 800,000 USD (Keep in mind that this is relativity small for a developer)to make a game. The game is released and is thought of as a game of the year candidate. Every sale at the price of 60 USD only earns the publisher 20 bucks. To break even, they need to sell 40,000 copies of the game.
Say the company sells 35,000 copies, with 8,000 copies being pirated or stolen or being sold on a used game market. Do you think a publisher will warrant a sequel for a game that they did not make money on? Yes, the publishers tend to have multi-million dollars, but they also control most of the industry. If they can't make money, they're not gonna take risks and make game of the year candidates like God of War or Arkham Asylum. We're our the fanbase and they deserve our support.
Pirates fall into one of two categories:
A. Fuck it, I'm buying this awesome game for free because I enjoy games, and I enjoy free shit.
B. Fuck it, I'm buying this game in order to spite the developers for making shit games loaded with overpriced DLC, but I still want the game.
Honestly I find group A 10 times less obnoxious than group B. because they are actually up front about what they are doing and dont try to justify their actions with retarded crap about the super duper evil gaming corporations.
A. Fuck it, I'm buying this awesome game for free because I enjoy games, and I enjoy free shit.
B. Fuck it, I'm buying this game in order to spite the developers for making shit games loaded with overpriced DLC, but I still want the game.
Honestly I find group A 10 times less obnoxious than group B. because they are actually up front about what they are doing and dont try to justify their actions with retarded crap about the super duper evil gaming corporations.
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From a personal perspective I would lean towards yes they have to tell you because as you point out it deliberately exploits the current standard of game buying transactions. Legally, I have no idea. It would not shock me if that could be dodged with the right fine print, but for all I know there may be laws against that sort of thing.Garak73 said:
Except the publisher who funded the developers into making the games who don't want to make a similar game now. Even if the game was good, making a profit is the goal of all in the business and every market.usucdik said:
I think people in this argument fall into three categories:
1) People who pirate, know it is wrong, but don't care. You can't save everyone folks. In the great cattle drive of life, some demented heifers are going to wonder off. They just have a low opinion of people's work.
2) People who pirate, know it is wrong, but will take the best of what they pirate and actually buy legitimate copies. They're on morally shaky ground, but are doing their best to support good people for their work while taking some back because they've been burned in the past. (I actually am still bitter that I bought the whole Vanilla Ice CD just for that one song...).
3) People who don't pirate and insist anyone that does is stealing and it is no different than taking someone's car or house. They think with no rules, people would just devolve to anarchy because that is what they would do themselves.
Look, I'm a highly trained medical professional. People come into my ER who can't pay. They get the same treatment as those that can. And we all share the burden of cost because the world would be a worse place if we didn't. The hospitals are in trouble, but we are still there despite pay cuts, increased hours, decreased benefits, and supply shortages. I still find time to volunteer and give more. People aren't always grateful and we complain about the ones that abuse the system, but we do it because we think the best of people and love our craft.
1) People who pirate, know it is wrong, but don't care. You can't save everyone folks. In the great cattle drive of life, some demented heifers are going to wonder off. They just have a low opinion of people's work.
2) People who pirate, know it is wrong, but will take the best of what they pirate and actually buy legitimate copies. They're on morally shaky ground, but are doing their best to support good people for their work while taking some back because they've been burned in the past. (I actually am still bitter that I bought the whole Vanilla Ice CD just for that one song...).
3) People who don't pirate and insist anyone that does is stealing and it is no different than taking someone's car or house. They think with no rules, people would just devolve to anarchy because that is what they would do themselves.
Look, I'm a highly trained medical professional. People come into my ER who can't pay. They get the same treatment as those that can. And we all share the burden of cost because the world would be a worse place if we didn't. The hospitals are in trouble, but we are still there despite pay cuts, increased hours, decreased benefits, and supply shortages. I still find time to volunteer and give more. People aren't always grateful and we complain about the ones that abuse the system, but we do it because we think the best of people and love our craft.
Here's the thing; pirating is obtaining free intellectual property. This normally falls into the range of free share of thought, which is a constitutional right. However, games nowadays have huge budgets that they need to fill. If people have the possibility of acquiring all the time and work put into it for free, the company is completely unable to invest in making a better game.
In theory, pirating is not really wrong. You're getting a product that otherwise, you wouldn't be getting for several reasons (Too pricey, game being bad, lack of money and amongst the excuses pirates use for cleansing their conscience). The problem is that 90% of pirates don't have any of the 'several reasons' aforementioned, but just torrent and pirate games because they can obtain the game for free, instead of paying for it, and claim they would not be playing it anyway if they had to, so it doesn't make any difference. The whole 'if you do something right, they will pay for it' argument is of course not true and people will keep downloading games until extreme measures are taken. If you torrent games, here's the proposition: Don't. Regardless of whether or not you ARE in the 10% who has an actual reason to download the game; both sides of the pro-piracy discussion all blend together meaning that as long as people pirate games, we can be sure of one thing: THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT GET HIS MONEY BACK.
What are he consequences of the game developer not getting his money back? Them not putting any effort into making something truly groundbreaking, as it will not make a difference on whether or not people will torrent games, prices for those who buy the games going up, less budget and the fact that multiplayer mode nowadays has far more importance than the aspect that actually requires the developer to come up with a way to immerse and thrill the player (Just look at games like CoD and Halo; no one plays them for the singleplay, and both Bungie and Treyarch know this)
Also, one final thought; games aren't expensive at all; before, an NES cartridge would be far more expensive than a PS3 game and wouldn't have nearly as much budget.
In theory, pirating is not really wrong. You're getting a product that otherwise, you wouldn't be getting for several reasons (Too pricey, game being bad, lack of money and amongst the excuses pirates use for cleansing their conscience). The problem is that 90% of pirates don't have any of the 'several reasons' aforementioned, but just torrent and pirate games because they can obtain the game for free, instead of paying for it, and claim they would not be playing it anyway if they had to, so it doesn't make any difference. The whole 'if you do something right, they will pay for it' argument is of course not true and people will keep downloading games until extreme measures are taken. If you torrent games, here's the proposition: Don't. Regardless of whether or not you ARE in the 10% who has an actual reason to download the game; both sides of the pro-piracy discussion all blend together meaning that as long as people pirate games, we can be sure of one thing: THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT GET HIS MONEY BACK.
What are he consequences of the game developer not getting his money back? Them not putting any effort into making something truly groundbreaking, as it will not make a difference on whether or not people will torrent games, prices for those who buy the games going up, less budget and the fact that multiplayer mode nowadays has far more importance than the aspect that actually requires the developer to come up with a way to immerse and thrill the player (Just look at games like CoD and Halo; no one plays them for the singleplay, and both Bungie and Treyarch know this)
Also, one final thought; games aren't expensive at all; before, an NES cartridge would be far more expensive than a PS3 game and wouldn't have nearly as much budget.
You're just not making any sense anymore. When did Diapers come into play? Publishers don't have anything to do with items that falls out of their market. Publishers and Developers make video games to sell to the market for a profit, it isn't rocket science. If they don't make a profit, they take a different direction and we get games like Modern Warfare 2 and Medal of Honor that don't change the industry in anyway. They don't add anything, we have less developers taking risks and Pshyconauts and Portal may not have ever come into play. You want better games? Don't pirate. You do wanna play a bad game either, don't buy on launch day. Do some research. The only reason left for pirating on a PC is to test if it works on your Desktop, which is why I support your Demo suggestion, but not piracy.Garak73 said:
The only company that has done remotely close to what you're saying is Ubisoft, and their barely functional DRM is an example of an unjustified response to piracy. BUT that does not justify prior nor post piracy.Garak73 said:
piracy can still be used in a semi honest manner as a way of testing games, then buying and deleting the pirated copy. I know people that do this. Yes you are pirating at some point, but you are still supporting the developers at another.