Transformers 2 Writers Explain Why it Sucked

[AndyFromMonday]

Fuck you. You make horrible movies that cater to idiots and yes, I stand by that. Who the hell could watch the flabbergast that was the first and second Transformer movie and say it was "decent" or "enjoyable"? So many people say the action was good but seriously, fuck them.

The Escapist when it comes to Michael Bay in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.

If you thought the first Transformers was good fun and could overlook the painful jokes and some of the main actors, fuck you.

If you like Bad Boys or The Rock, two movies that a lot of people like, fuck you.

I suggest you take your elitism and stuff it, go watch the original cartoon and think about how Bay destroyed your childhood and how much you're better than people who enjoyed those two movies.

Did I ever claim Bay "destroyed my childhood"? My criticism of the movie is of the movie itself. It's terrible. How can you ever say it's "good fun"? What's fun about it? Is it the horrible acting? Is it the moronic way Bay or rather the writers handled the robots? Is it the nauseating action scenes where half the time you don't even know what the fuck is happening? Is it how the robots are basically second hand characters? Please, do tell what's so fun about watching that movie because I sure as hell haven't noticed a glimpse of anything that even resembles quality.

Also, when the fuck did I ever say "fuck you" to the people who enjoyed Bad Boys? My insult was towards people who kept saying the movie was "fun" or that the action was "good". Actually, I guess my insult was towards you and even more so now that you've taken my entire comment out of context. If you believe the movie had any redeeming qualities then do show them and do tell why they're redeeming. Otherwise, stop calling me an elitist when you don't even know the meaning of the word.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Is it the nauseating action scenes where half the time you don't even know what the fuck is happening?

I didn't see Transformers 2 so I can't speak about it, but I didn't have much trouble unserstanding "what the fuck is happening" in the first one. Therefore, I could enjoy the movie I wasn't going to see again just because it was loud, dumb and had good CGI. If you care so much about the character stuff and couldn't just deal with it, that doesn't mean nobody else was unable to switch off their brain or that they're automatically idiots.

Also, when the fuck did I ever say "fuck you" to the people who enjoyed Bad Boys?

Well, I don't know, maybe it was whe-

You make horrible movies that cater to idiots and yes, I stand by that.

Oh.

Oh right.

Look at you, all fair and not generalizing.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I didn't see Transformers 2 so I can't speak about it, but I didn't have much trouble unserstanding "what the fuck is happening" in the first one.

Switch your brain off? How does that actually work? I've seen people say this thousands of time and yet I never understood what it truly meant. Are you talking about ignoring the horrible acting and the terrible action scenes? But then what remains? Elaborate, please.

Is it really so "elitist" of me to ask for a coherent plot, decent acting and good action scenes from a movie like that? Look at Inception. It's not overly complex, but it has a coherent plot, great acting and good action scenes. It's not the masterpiece it's glorified as but it's overall a good movie. Look at Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Another movie in which Michael Cera chases a girl but let's be fair, it's good. Good acting, good plot and absolutely great action scenes. Look at fucking Pulp Fiction. A movie that I have a hard time classifying but still, it has amazing acting, great action scenes and a great plot. These are just 3 examples and I can list many more. We've established that making an action movie that contains these 3 qualities is not hard. Michael Bay failed on all three counts. So please tell me how am I supposed to enjoy it? It's already established that if you attempt to ignore what's crap about it you end up with nothing. How the hell should I look at it in order to enjoy it then?

Oh.

Oh right.

Look at you, all fair and not generalizing.

One mildly decent movie written by Quentin Tarantino does not mean he's a good director. He's shit and as it stands, will always be shit unless the stars align or he gets hit in the head by a boulder.

 

[PAGEToap44]

It actually seems like the third movie will be passably decent. They've put their time into it, they're staying away from deserts, dorky humour and when the robots die, now they stay dead. Also Megan Fox is gone. She's glorious eye-candy but what an awful actress.

 

[Zydrate]

You know. I didn't mind it so much. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1055369/usercomments-1045]

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Switch your brain off? How does that actually work? I've seen people say this thousands of time and yet I never understood what it truly meant. Are you talking about ignoring the horrible acting and the terrible action scenes? But then what remains? Elaborate, please.

I don't remember the action scenes being quite so bad at all. I only saw the movie twice but the first time around I remember it being pretty good and I didn't hate it the second time.

The acting? Not much worse than the usual action schlock. This is Transformers after all, not The Departed.

Plot's shit but, again, really, you can enjoy a movie with a shit plot. I'll have to go no further than your example - I think Inception was carried solely by set-pieces and soundtrack and that the plot was largely trite, yet I had fun.

So, no, it's not "elitist" to ask for plot, acting, action in a movie. It is, however, "elitist" to insult everyone who likes it.

One mildly decent movie written by Quentin Tarantino does not mean he's a good director. He's shit and as it stands, will always be shit unless the stars align or he gets hit in the head by a boulder.

There's a line between "Bay is shit" and "his movies are made for idiots".

I would disagree with him being shit seeing how he still does action well, but that's not what this is about.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Switch your brain off? How does that actually work? I've seen people say this thousands of time and yet I never understood what it truly meant. Are you talking about ignoring the horrible acting and the terrible action scenes? But then what remains? Elaborate, please.

I don't remember the action scenes being quite so bad at all. I only saw the movie twice but the first time around I remember it being pretty good and I didn't hate it the second time.

The acting? Not much worse than the usual action schlock. This is Transformers after all, not The Departed.

Plot's shit but, again, really, you can enjoy a movie with a shit plot. I'll have to go no further than your example - I think Inception was carried solely by set-pieces and soundtrack and that the plot was largely trite, yet I had fun.

So, no, it's not "elitist" to ask for plot, acting, action in a movie. It is, however, "elitist" to insult everyone who likes it.

One mildly decent movie written by Quentin Tarantino does not mean he's a good director. He's shit and as it stands, will always be shit unless the stars align or he gets hit in the head by a boulder.

There's a line between "Bay is shit" and "his movies are made for idiots".

I would disagree with him being shit seeing how he still does action well, but that's not what this is about.

I'm tired of this. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

I'm tired of this. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

It's not about disagreement, it's about the insults.

I hope you understand what I mean.

 

[KeyMaster45]

But the action sucked. It was poorly choreographed, inexpertly shot, ugly, difficult to follow, and pointless. There was no tension or sense of purpose or danger. I swear during the fight where Optimus "died" I just quit trying to figure out who the hell was doing what and spaced out.

And just when you started to care about what was going on in the action, they'd cut to captain douchebag running like a sissy, or slutdog McGee doing... something... with that damn thing in her purse. Or one of the comic relief characters doing something racially offensive. Or they'd make a dick joke that wouldn't make a 12 year-old chuckle.

I get so tired of people saying this movie was good "because of robots fighting and stuff".

I could make more interesting, more exciting action sequences with some fireworks and gasoline in my back yard.

So because you didn't like it no one else is allowed to have enjoyed it?

 

[Marowit]

I'm pretty sure it had everything to do with Mr. Bay being associated with the movie, and blaming it on the writer's strike is about as poor of an excuse as I could imagine. I mean, Mr. Bay is only THE Director - it's just a small fry in the process afterall.

 

[ninja51]

Racist robots, balls, Megan Foxs terribe acting. THATS why it sucked

 

[Gindil]

Racist robots, balls, Megan Foxs terribe acting. THATS why it sucked

Megan Fox is an actress?

OT: I'll admit that the script was rough. But that doesn't excuse the mountain of problems with this movie.

I doubt I will see the third movie. I just saw the pic of Sentinel Prime and I'm more WTF than intrigued.

 

[XaVierDK]

... I enjoyed the first movie... It was a decent action-flick, I could ignore the horrible acting from the female lead, and the military guys were pretty believable and didn't overact their parts... For me, the most annoying thing was the parents... Why, oh why did they have to be there?!
And the voice-work for the transformers was pretty good...

The second one was... Confused for me... Sure the robots got more screen-time, and the more transformers the merrier, but the script was just idiotic... Seriously, too many sidestories, too many supporting characters, too many stupid human characters in general.. I agree with what someone else said here, the military actually stepping in was a good thing, but I just wish they would let the ROBOTS fight! And why is it the Decepticons always seem overpowered compared to the Autobots? IIRC, they're supposed to be pretty equal, in the power-department at least...
Why can't they just do what War For Cybetron did? I know it was a lot closer to the original cartoon, but that's WHAT WE WANT (we being my childhood-mind and hopefully Transformers fans)...

Best Regards

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I'll admit to having enjoyed Transformers 2, but only for the scenes of robots beating the crap out of eachother. The rest of it isn't good.
The plot isn't that great, the humans (with the exception of the not-so-annoying soldiers) are among the worst in the Transformers franchise, the "humour" is flat-out painful to watch (although Jetfire was pretty funny) and there are a lot of robots introduced in the film who serve absolutely nothing to the plot and to just fill out the ranks for both sides during the end fight (and I don't think they even do that).
I'll watch the third film just to see how it all ends but next time I want see Transformers killing eachother, I'll stick to playing War for Cybertron.

 

[PrototypeC]

How about no more, instead? I'd be much happier with that. The first Transformers movie wasn't all that fantastic either, but at least that one had some longer scenes of the two teams legitimately beating the shit out of each other with their robot parts flying everywhere.

Then Revenge of The Fallen happened, and I was sad.

 

[Jamienra]

...I quite liked the 2nd one.......

Don't get me wrong the story was horrible. But if your just with a bunch of mates and want to watch Robot Wars in epic form with some genuinely funny lines thrown in whilst watching megan fox bounce around. Then it begins to be a very good film.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

When you go to see Transformers you go for the giant robots beating on each other. I got that, and I was happy. I wouldn't mind if they took out all the lame jokes though. They're just jarring.

 

[Digikid]

Only idiots say that it sucked. It did NOT suck at all but was an excellent movie...same as the first.

 

[SpireOfFire]

im a transformers fanboy and fully admit i love the movies but i will not deny the movies sucked and michael bay sucks, too.

i enjoyed them, but that doesnt mean i think they were any good.

 

[Dora]

NO. It was the robo-testes! STOP DENYING IT.