Don't get me wrong: I don't like it. But I understand this is an issue people are devided on. So I am willing to compromise and say that disabling online play is iffy, but I won't damn them for it. Locking out SINGLE PLAYER things, however, has no excuse.Richard Allen said:
Gamers have compromised too much already, the industry has grown very large so all their whining about lost sales has not been entirely true. It is not unusual for a full game to cost $100 now with all the DLC.CM156 said:
I guess that's true. Still, it would be nice if we got some more inteligent people as publishers who didn't equate used sales with piracy. I won't buy new from anyone who does that. Heck, that's the reason I won't be buying more Fable games. Because they have demonized those who got the game used.Crono1973 said:
Strictly speaking, they aren't. If you buy the game used, you aren't a customer of theirs. You didn't give them any money, it all went to the shop that sold you the game.Cid SilverWing said:
They don't really believe that, that is just their scapegoat for ever increasing money making models. They want each and every player to buy their own copy and at full price. They hate used game sales, rentals and simply loaning or giving a game to a friend or family member and so the use piracy as a scapegoat not because they believe it is killing them but because they can convince consumers of that and add more and more layers of DRM.CM156 said:
Strictly speaking owning their product makes you a customer.Aris Khandr said:
The analogy works fine if you don't think the game industry is special. If you start thinking the game industry is special then that is your error.StriderShinryu said:
That would be up to GameStop and the publishers/developers to figure out. Personally, I don't really care even if I buy my games new to support the developers and publishers that I think are worthy of being supported. The thing is, if there was a real difference in price between used and new, it would do two things. First, it would create a real used market as opposed to what we have now where a used game sale actually is coming at the expense of a new sale. Sorry, if you're able to pay $50 or $55 for a used game, you're just as able to pay $60 for the new copy. Secondly, it would force publishers to actually think about intelligent pricing strategies instead of just throwing everything they make on the shelf for the same price regardless of value.Crono1973 said:
I'd throw in the additional proviso that it can be cumbersome for multiple reasons. One, codes do not always work. EA's had this problem with bad batches of codes more than oce, and I doubt they're alone.CM156 said:
That's hilarious. It took me 10 mins to stop laughing...Kaytastrophe said:
I completely agree with you. I could care less about having multiplayer online. However, I do think you will see used game retailers for the most part do something to get around this passport feature. Yes they will get a few people in the first little while but eventually people will start buying new because when games first come out there will be no point in buying used when it in fact costs 5 dollars more (new game=60$ used 55+10 dollar pass). I think I might have been a bit idealist when I said they pass the savings to us; but I bet you they will make a deal with these companies to sell these passes in the store. It only makes sense. Gamestop contacts ubisoft, ea whoever and says sell us these passes for 5 dollars or whatever, and they add it to the used game automatically. That way instead of taking a chance that the person will pay 10 dollars for an online pass they have a guarantee that all used games will bring in 5 dollars (a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush). Gamestop is not going to sit back and not react to these new online passes, it threatens their largest revenue; maybe not today but once this becomes common practice (and it will) people will know about the added costs of buying used.GonzoGamer said:
You can buy used all over the place, not just at Gamestop. Try eBay or garage sales or classified ads or even Best Buy or Amazon. The entire used market isn't like Gamestop and I personally think Gamestop is playing nice with publishers, they could be selling used games so low the people would buy new only as a last resort. As it stands, most people would buy new when they only save a few dollars.StriderShinryu said:
I say it's garbage because even when the games drop in price, as you said, that online pass price will not. The update has pointed out quote, "Uplay Passport codes for those who buy used copies of Ubisoft games will be available separately for $9.99." That bolded text makes this idea even more ludicrous.coldalarm said:
No, and here's why. The thing to keep in mind is that for used games to exist, a new game must be sold to someone, then resold back to a business for reselling. That means the business cycle has gone around once, and is leaving the door open for someone who is unsure about the game and wants to buy it used. There will always be people who wish to do that rather than buy a new copy. The reason is because games are luxury items, and there's quite a bit of economic sensabilities for elasticity of demand concerning why that is.NLS said:
