UK Defense Secretary Calls for Medal of Honor Ban

Alex Cowan

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Ok...hypothetical situation. Imagine that in 1944, EA Brings out a WWII shooter that lets you play as Nazis. There would be uproar about that, because it was a group that we were actually at war with.

If a WWII game is released today, we think nothing of it.

It's not the acts of the group that are in question - Nazis + Communists have killed infinitely more people than the Taliban, however it's acceptable now because we're not still at war with them. It's all a matter of perspective.
 

Therumancer

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I agree with him despite being from the US.

I do not think creating a game where you can play as the enemy in a current ongoing war is a good idea, especially if the portrayal is remotely sympathetic. Right or wrong, war is a time when you demonize the enemy to make him easier to fight.

I see it as being differant from playing as a Nazi in various "World War II" games since the conflict is over, the Nazis are more or less non-existant in their previous form, and it's been decades. That's historical recreationism, the conflict in "The Middle East" is not historical, it's current and happening right now.

I think the entire thing is tasteless, just as I felt that the first "Assasin's Creed" and the version of history it presented was tasteless in light of the current conflict. Rather than being an accurate recreation, it was on a lot of levels a "message game" or so it seemed to be, and trying to engage in reinventionism through a work of fantasy. I am disturbed by having met people who think that the game was a fairly authentic and accurate portrayal of european involvement in the region and The Crusades outside of the plotline.

This is something where I admit due to the war, I think being truely objective is impossible.

What's more, I can't help but wonder why we aren't seeing more backlash than we are given the hype over "Seven Days in Fallujah". It's okay now that EA is setting a game there? What's more, few people have an issue with Muslims killing UK/US troops, where they had an issue about war games where the situation was reversed not too long ago?

I doubt it will happen, but yeah... I think consumers should put their foot down on this one. I would hope that even a lot of left wingers and ultra-liberals would acknowlege that while the game shouldn't be censored or banned by the goverment(s) in question, there is such a thing as bad taste and not support the product.
 

SextusMaximus

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It's okay. The game was made by DICE and from what the BETA looks like, the multiplayer is identical to BFBC2 except worse. Lets just hope this doesn't start a chain reaction.
 

GothmogII

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Therumancer said:
I agree with him despite being from the US.

I do not think creating a game where you can play as the enemy in a current ongoing war is a good idea, especially if the portrayal is remotely sympathetic. Right or wrong, war is a time when you demonize the enemy to make him easier to fight.

I see it as being differant from playing as a Nazi in various "World War II" games since the conflict is over, the Nazis are more or less non-existant in their previous form, and it's been decades. That's historical recreationism, the conflict in "The Middle East" is not historical, it's current and happening right now.

I think the entire thing is tasteless, just as I felt that the first "Assasin's Creed" and the version of history it presented was tasteless in light of the current conflict. Rather than being an accurate recreation, it was on a lot of levels a "message game" or so it seemed to be, and trying to engage in reinventionism through a work of fantasy. I am disturbed by having met people who think that the game was a fairly authentic and accurate portrayal of european involvement in the region and The Crusades outside of the plotline.

This is something where I admit due to the war, I think being truely objective is impossible.

What's more, I can't help but wonder why we aren't seeing more backlash than we are given the hype over "Seven Days in Fallujah". It's okay now that EA is setting a game there? What's more, few people have an issue with Muslims killing UK/US troops, where they had an issue about war games where the situation was reversed not too long ago?

I doubt it will happen, but yeah... I think consumers should put their foot down on this one. I would hope that even a lot of left wingers and ultra-liberals would acknowlege that while the game shouldn't be censored or banned by the goverment(s) in question, there is such a thing as bad taste and not support the product.
So, basically that big wall of verbiage can be condensed down into two simple words: Too soon.

I have to wonder though, assuming neither of us has played the game, how do either of us know what the actual content is going to be like?

As for the rest. Fiction is fiction, I don't' believe it's fair to attack the work for people's warped perceptions.
 
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Jamash said:
I'd argue that the Minister of Defence has more of an idea about what's going on in Afghanistan, and the effect that's having on British soldiers and their families than EA, a foreign videogames publisher, does.
I didn't actually mean if Afghanistan.

I just say ignorant people have no idea what's going on.
 

ScRaT_the_destroyer

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whats the problem with playing as the taliban, ffs james bond has friends with them (the living daylights anyone).
If the game projects the current war in afghanistan should it not be right that both sides be (ie Western NATO-ISAF forces vs The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan [which later dissolved into Taliban and the various other insurgent forces])represented? would it then not be right that the multiplayer of said game to have the players play as those respective forces? i personally think mr fox should, to be frank shut up and quit winge-ing about a medium he does not care to understand

/rant
 

whaleswiththumbs

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MarsProbe said:
whaleswiththumbs said:
At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands
So what exactly does the UK military do to people? Tickle them into submission?
Point well made. Of course, what our military does is okay. They're fighting insurgents after all, not human beings.

Anyway, it's unlikely I will have the interest or money to buy Medal of Honor (see? even the spelling is un-British!) but nonetheless, this typically alarmist politicians response annoys me so.

Given how predictable it was, I wish I had placed some sort of bet down on the inevitable tabloid/government outcry over this game. Nothing really surprises anymore.
This man(not you, the idiot we are all talking about), has made me doubt the sanity and intelligence of the UK, more specifically the government, although they were voted in(mostly, monarchy(kinda)) So i find I'm going to have to get back to you on my response to what you said, because i have a government official yelling in my figurative ear.

Sorry, no real offence.
 

ShadowsofHope

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Since when did the U.S. move overseas, now? "Un-British"? REALLY?

I should not consider it a surprise for a Minister of Defense to realize war is not a one sided game. British soldier's kill people, the Taliban kill people. Shut this man up.
 

The_Emperor

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WE'VE BEEN PLAYING AS THE NAZIS SINCE THE INVENTION OF THE FUCKING WW2 FPS!

so it's fine to play as a faction who's leaders ordered THE EXTERMINATION OF AN ENTIRE RACE AND DESTROYED BRITISH HOMES WITH LONG RANGE MISSILES?!? WW2 DEATHTOLL WAS MILLIONS!

yes caps makes me feel better, I cannot describe the the pure frustration and rage that I feel about the politics in the western world, especially my own country just.........RRRRGGHH..........i mean..........NNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
 

Xiorell

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I'm actually not far off being on this guys side.
I wouldn't want the game banned as such, but I think playing as Taliban is completely wrong. Made up terrorist group? Fine. Made up terrorist group that looks like taliban? Yeah fine.
Actually let you play as taliban? Are you taking the fucking piss??
Players from both USA and UK should see the insult here, as well as a lot of other countries to be fair.
EA should really get thier assholes abused with a box of rusty knifes. And if anyone "intends" to play as Taliban, you can get in line for that too, prick.
 

Jonny49

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In other news, the British public calls for Liam Fox to shut the fuck up and do his real job. Y'know, sorting out the actual war.

...and the term "Un-British" just makes me want to break something.