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Something to consider in this: Russia making good on its promise to fight nazis.
It's also good at shooting down unarmed passenger aircraft.

No, but I’d say Prigozhin fell out of the highest window it’s possible to fall out of.
Well, without going to space, anyway.
 
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No, but I’d say Prigozhin fell out of the highest window it’s possible to fall out of.
Well, what actually happened is that he fell out of the plane window... accidentally of course... and fell into the engine. Explosion explained
 

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The passenger list shows a number of other high-ranking Wagner personnel among the presumed-dead. Most notably Dmitry Utkin, the neo-Nazi co-founder.
Fortunately, we have exclusive footage of the last few minutes of Pringles life.

 

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Huge article on the nordstream pipeline sabotage, by the Spiegel, for those interested :


Apparently it was an ukrainian act.

(Also, a bittersweet piece about ISS cooperation during this war : https://www.theguardian.com/science...-international-space-station-at-a-time-of-war )
 
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Also, russia confirms prigozhin's identity after dna analysis, which increases the probability of his death (if it was a fake-out meant to fool russia, russia would probably not play along, and i'm not sure why russia itself would have organized such a fake-out).
 
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Also, russia confirms prigozhin's identity after dna analysis, which increases the probability of his death (if it was a fake-out meant to fool russia, russia would probably not play along, and i'm not sure why russia itself would have organized such a fake-out).
I can imagine them doing that to save face, I don't think Putin wants people to see you can armed revolt and get away unscathed. But it would require a scenario where the are incapable of actually killing the man AND have his cooperation to never show his face in public again, which is certainly an unlikely scenario.
 

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I can imagine them doing that to save face, I don't think Putin wants people to see you can armed revolt and get away unscathed. But it would require a scenario where the are incapable of actually killing the man AND have his cooperation to never show his face in public again, which is certainly an unlikely scenario.
The only russian scenario I imagined would have been a kidnapping for vengeful putinist torture, behind an appearance of clean death. But not only that would be far-fetched and unlikely, the difference with the official discourse wouldn't matter much to me.
 

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I can imagine them doing that to save face, I don't think Putin wants people to see you can armed revolt and get away unscathed. But it would require a scenario where the are incapable of actually killing the man AND have his cooperation to never show his face in public again, which is certainly an unlikely scenario.
One of the problems about Russia is that it can be so hard to determine what's true or not, because the state deliberately interweaves truth and lies so much. Thus I leave open the possibility Prigozhin was murdered by a lesser official with a grudge without Putin's direct permission, but either way the reaction of the Russian state would be pretty much identical.
 

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One of the problems about Russia is that it can be so hard to determine what's true or not, because the state deliberately interweaves truth and lies so much. Thus I leave open the possibility Prigozhin was murdered by a lesser official with a grudge without Putin's direct permission, but either way the reaction of the Russian state would be pretty much identical.
Maybe the plane just did that.
 
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I missed the fact much of the Senior Wagner Leadership was on that plane and like Perun, I have to wonder if the guy who allowed that to happen was a complete moron or secretly working for Putin.
 
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Russia has released its first propaganda film for domestic cinemas focusing on the invasion of Ukraine, titled The Witness. It shows the invasion as justified by Ukrainian 'provocation' and depicts Ukrainian soldiers pledging loyalty to Hitler.

It's a box office disaster-- budget of 1.5m, and has so far made back... 110k. Screenings are empty.
 

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Russia has released its first propaganda film for domestic cinemas focusing on the invasion of Ukraine, titled The Witness. It shows the invasion as justified by Ukrainian 'provocation' and depicts Ukrainian soldiers pledging loyalty to Hitler.

It's a box office disaster-- budget of 1.5m, and has so far made back... 110k. Screenings are empty.
Good thing they had a lot of military equipment just lying around unused to use for the film.

Also " Russia’s culture ministry on Thursday said that it won’t issue special permission to pirate copyrights to the movie "

So...that's a thing they sometimes do? Copyright privateers are a thing?