Valve Fans Form Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group
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Wow most of you are fucking retarded. I can't believe a lot of you don't see the problem with releasing a sequel multiplayer game so soon after releasing the original when the original isn't even fucking done. You morons really are fine with throwing your money away on betas. Everything in l4d2 should be included for free to everyone who bought l4d. This is the first time valve has ever pulled this bullshit. I bought left 4 dead because I thought, like everything valve does, they would properly support the game sort of like TF2.
And honestly, you people really think boycotting doesn't work? If everyone does it, then it will make a difference. The problem is that gamers are retards(read this thread) and never stand up for themselves. I always buy valve games because they release quality products and properly support them. They have never released a beta and called it a game before, like other companies.
This is the first time valve has ever done this before and I am just shocked at them. I guess most of you would be too, but you are just all so used to being mushroom stamped by game companies.
And honestly, you people really think boycotting doesn't work? If everyone does it, then it will make a difference. The problem is that gamers are retards(read this thread) and never stand up for themselves. I always buy valve games because they release quality products and properly support them. They have never released a beta and called it a game before, like other companies.
This is the first time valve has ever done this before and I am just shocked at them. I guess most of you would be too, but you are just all so used to being mushroom stamped by game companies.
They're getting mad because the bought L4D based on the promise of theoritical added value that the title would have at some point in the future. These people are, what I like to call "silly" as they purchased the IDEA of a product rather than the product itself.FoxParadox said:
More to the point - not only do I not feel that "the developer didn't give us what they promised" bits hold even a thimble of water (because the the price tag was clearly affixed to a product of known quanties and variables, and anything else is a bonus) but they complain about things that honestly do not matter to me as a gamer.
The visual aestetic has changed, but let's face it the gritty surival horror style that we have been delivered already clashes with the actual gameplay, as any sense of fear I might have is utterly dashed when I realize that my firepower alone is enough to kill mighty hordes of the run-o-the-mill zombies and I have three chumps. . . er . . . friends helping keep me alive from the more durable or dangerous types.
The fiddle music bit may hold some water, but I fall into that odd crowd that actually enjoys many of the kinds of music the various members of the string family are capable of producing. While some zany fiddle and banjo based chase music might be a bit out of place, who hasn't been engaged in a brutal close quarters fight with a Tank and thought to themselves "Man, if only a fiddle were playing a jig, this would be 10% more awesome!" The music that currently exists may serve to help build tension, and discounting the fact that the fiddle is perfectly capable of being an instrument of audience torment, I'd also point out that said tension wears off after the first few times you play the game, only to be replaced inevitably by a team of people griefing your team for the enjoyment of all.
While I do belive there is a certain logic that work directed towards one project will naturally reduce the total work available for another project, I do not offer any sympathy for people who feel as though they've been cheated. I was satisfied with the content I got in the box (known hereafter as the content I paid for). The content delivered later served to give me several more hours of entertainment and it was free. All told, I've probably wrung a few dozen hours of fun out of the title with what I've gotten so far, and that seems worthy of the price of entry that I paid. I shall not begrudge valve for making more content available in the future for a price, because that is in fact where the problem lies for most people. How these people expect valve to remain in business without charging for content that takes many man hours to produce (and those man hours are provide by people I assume, and if my trend analaysis serves me correctly I suspect they feel the need to eat and have shelter meaning they require some sort of compensation) is beyond me.
Finally, the fact that a complaint is "the relese date is too soon to do a proper job" is a delicious combination of the customer getting what they want (a product right now) and an assertion made by a bunch of uninformed losers. Valve has never had a history of producing a game that did not meet their own high standards of quality, and they have also had a history of producing two games. This alone seems to make them supremely qualified to determine when the launch date will be, and moreover, if it proves to be an insufficient amount of time, Valve has proven that they are more than willing to keep it in the hopper until it's done. Given all of this, the game will either be delivered on the date told and (again if trend analysis is worth a damn here) consumers will be able to purchase a new known quantity of content that meets valve's expectations of quality without being forced to wait for a change, or the game will be delayed until it is worthy of release.
I don't begrudge them for choosing to boycott the game, for a number of reasons. First, people are free to disagree with me no matter how wrong they are and second, 3,000 people is such a laughable portion of the install base that their effort is more or less wasted effort at this point. If they could get a significant portion of the current install base to jump on board, then maybe they won't be wasting their time, but until then they may as well be vagrants holding signs heralding the apocalypse and shouting incoherent warnings that my hedonistic ways will be the doom of all mankind.
Actually, they announced that they would continue to support L4D, and add more content. Chet Faliszek (Valve's project lead) was interviewed by Rock, Paper, Shotgun and he said that they would still update L4D, and try to bring the two communities together (playing L4D maps on L4D2, stuff like that).scotth266 said:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/01/left-4-dead-2-exclusive-podcast-with-chet-faliszek/
Improvement does not mean a sequel, an expansion would fit in a lot better at this point. The game is not even a year old as it stands and it got an update only as far back as April. This really does seem strangely rushed, I mean its not like there was any heavy story holding the game up so what exactly is going to be the appeal of the sequel? Even if COD comes out every year it does at least come with its own story witch helps set them apart.tellmeimaninja said:
You're supposed to remove glitches via patches, not by getting a whole new game. Of course new guns and maps will be there, but new guns and maps aren't enough to justify a new game, that's enough to justify an expansion pack if it's a lot of them, but not a sequal.tellmeimaninja said:
damn, beat me to it.Worsle said:
Wait... The prospect of L4D2 makes me happy, the thing I'm pissed about is a certain lack of Episode 3. Come on valve, just a hint?
In six hours, then?Svenparty said:
Seriously though, this seems a bit extreme. Valve has always been like this about sequels. Of course, they're still updating their games from ages ago. I don't see why Left 4 Dead 1 wouldn't continue to get patches and the like while the sequel comes. So it just seems like an uninformed movement to me.
A beta dosen't have to be free.look at the Halo 3 beta from 2006. It was shiped in with crackdown (and I belive Fusion frenzy 2). Sure the Beta was free but you still had to pay 60 bucks for the game that had the code in it. Right now that it is the only beta I can think of but my point is that Beta's aren't always free.m_jim said:
Problem here is if L4D1 is supported still and L4D2 is not coming with significant improvements then what is the point of it? Maybe things will make more sense when more information gets out but this just seems strange. Announcing a new game in less than a year when you are not even planning to replace the old one just seems like poor business to me and if l4d2 is fully compatible with L4D1 when it comes out then why is it not just and expansion?Silva said:
I like how every counter-argument is a "Valve says...".
You know what? Valve hasn't done jack shit with what they said they'd do with L4D. They've ported two maps ALREADY MADE IN CAMPAIGN to versus with minor changes (which the community had done MONTHS before), STILL have no released the SDK, and STILL have not released any of those promised...
Oh wait, I forgot, they never intended to release them:
I'll be honest - I love(d) Valve and I love L4D. But this is inexcusable; Valve has always been the paragon of customer relations and post-release support, and this is just a big "FUCK YOU" to the loyal fanbase who has supported them. We have a right to be angry, as this goes against all their promises that we based our $50 purchase off of. And we had a reason to trust Valve; their support for TF2 has been fantastic. But we got backstabbed.
And frankly, I doubt there will be any further updates to L4D (not like we had any in the first place). They'll be working on the new game now; or maybe they'll decide their new "fuck you" business model is more successful, and begin making an L4D3 right after they release L4D2. I don't know, and I don't really care at this point, as Valve has lost all respect for me in their poor decision to abandon their TF2 business model.
And this group? Yeah, it only has 3400 members right now - but you forget, that's over a period of THREE DAYS. It's growing fast, and it's going to keep on growing.
You know what? Valve hasn't done jack shit with what they said they'd do with L4D. They've ported two maps ALREADY MADE IN CAMPAIGN to versus with minor changes (which the community had done MONTHS before), STILL have no released the SDK, and STILL have not released any of those promised...
So, where are those new movies, new characters, new weapons, unlockables...
Oh wait, I forgot, they never intended to release them:
I was an idiot. I paid $50 for a beta of a game that is, frankly, going to be much better than the real version of the game. The new atmosphere SUCKS, the melee weapons look stupid, the music and voice acting is terrible, and the gameplay has received NO MAJOR CHANGE. Hell, the only change in gameplay was an idea from a COMMUNITY MEMBER. And I bet that change would have already been put into L4D except for one thing - No SDK.
I'll be honest - I love(d) Valve and I love L4D. But this is inexcusable; Valve has always been the paragon of customer relations and post-release support, and this is just a big "FUCK YOU" to the loyal fanbase who has supported them. We have a right to be angry, as this goes against all their promises that we based our $50 purchase off of. And we had a reason to trust Valve; their support for TF2 has been fantastic. But we got backstabbed.
And frankly, I doubt there will be any further updates to L4D (not like we had any in the first place). They'll be working on the new game now; or maybe they'll decide their new "fuck you" business model is more successful, and begin making an L4D3 right after they release L4D2. I don't know, and I don't really care at this point, as Valve has lost all respect for me in their poor decision to abandon their TF2 business model.
And this group? Yeah, it only has 3400 members right now - but you forget, that's over a period of THREE DAYS. It's growing fast, and it's going to keep on growing.