Valve Fans Form Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group

[RaNDM G]

Wow most of you are fucking retarded. I can't believe a lot of you don't see the problem with releasing a sequel multiplayer game so soon after releasing the original when the original isn't even fucking done. You morons really are fine with throwing your money away on betas. Everything in l4d2 should be included for free to everyone who bought l4d. This is the first time valve has ever pulled this bullshit. I bought left 4 dead because I thought, like everything valve does, they would properly support the game sort of like TF2.

And honestly, you people really think boycotting doesn't work? If everyone does it, then it will make a difference. The problem is that gamers are retards(read this thread) and never stand up for themselves. I always buy valve games because they release quality products and properly support them. They have never released a beta and called it a game before, like other companies.

This is the first time valve has ever done this before and I am just shocked at them. I guess most of you would be too, but you are just all so used to being mushroom stamped by game companies.

1. Calling us fucking retarded morons doesn't do much for your argument, buddy.

2. You're pissed off about having to shell out another sixty bucks for content that's worth way more than that? What kind of logic is that?

3. They're still working on updating Left 4 Dead. They haven't abandoned it at all and will continue working with it until nobody plays it anymore.

4. Who said L4D 2 was going to be beta? Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Silva]

Problem here is if L4D1 is supported still and L4D2 is not coming with significant improvements then what is the point of it? Maybe things will make more sense when more information gets out but this just seems strange. Announcing a new game in less than a year when you are not even planning to replace the old one just seems like poor business to me and if l4d2 is fully compatible with L4D1 when it comes out then why is it not just and expansion?

I'm willing to wager that it's that darned "episodic content" approach of Valve's again, with a bad hangover and transferred from HL2 to L4D. There'll probably be a new campaign and more maps, and that's about it. It's not like we could say HL2:E1 advanced anything. Hell, maybe the final Orange Box will have both L4D2 and HL2:E3 in it, or something crazy like that. I wouldn't be surprised.

Anyway, this shit has gone on too long to be rationally surprised by Valve doing this. They've been gits with customer service from day one. For example, they updated Half Life 2 and Counter Strike Source a month ago. After the update, Steam tells me my drivers need updating when I try to startup the games. I updated them. Restarted as asked. Everything. They STILL need updating, apparently, the hour after I install them. Then, assuming there's no big issue and it's just a bug I go to play these games, and they invariably crash - on the same goddamn maps as always worked fine before.

So either the system requirements on those games have been increased by the update, a dick move in the first place, or there is a serious issue with driver recognition in Steam itself.

I'd talk to Valve about this, but I doubt I would get an answer. There'd probably be banhammer if I worded it wrong anyway. I know how they treat people who ask for their money back on games that don't work (how dare we, we must be pirates, there could never be a legitimate reason to give a refund, no never).

Considering my experiences, I personally think that this boycott group is underinformed. Screw boycotting L4D. Boycott Steam and Valve, period, until they get their act together in a very tangible way, like the number of refunds given. That would make sense. This kind of specific boycotting is like saying, "oh, I won't give you anymore money for this, but I will for all your other games".

Learn to run a campaign, amateurs.

 

[m_jim]

Wait? Is a fanboy group boycotting the sequel to there game? Oh come on we all know Left 4 dead is fun and everything but it gets old after a while. Between the Rage quitting and now obvious Infected tricks the game loses its appeal. I was playing Left 4 dead today and me and my friend caused 5 diffrent people to quit. This new game offers much needed improvements to the orginal. Instead of looking at left 4 dead as a bad thing why don't they look at Left 4 dead as a beta.

Why not look at it as a beta? Because I don't pay $50 so that I can play a beta.

A beta dosen't have to be free.look at the Halo 3 beta from 2006. It was shiped in with crackdown (and I belive Fusion frenzy 2). Sure the Beta was free but you still had to pay 60 bucks for the game that had the code in it. Right now that it is the only beta I can think of but my point is that Beta's aren't always free.

I was just making a point that your way of looking at it sounds like a raw deal for the consumer. I didn't want to get in an internet slapfight about this, but here goes... The Halo 3 beta came free with a $50 dollar game (or the $50 dollar beta came with a free game, depending on how you look at it). According to you, with L4D the game is the beta. See the difference?

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

While I think you're leaning to the more extreme side of things, I do agree with you on some of your points like VALVe barely updating L4D1 at all yet pushing out a sequel as if the previous L4D was a test run.

Oh wait....

 

[okogamashii]

I dont see what the problem is. I think, all in all, the new game looks like it's gonna be fucking awesome.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Wait? Is a fanboy group boycotting the sequel to there game? Oh come on we all know Left 4 dead is fun and everything but it gets old after a while. Between the Rage quitting and now obvious Infected tricks the game loses its appeal. I was playing Left 4 dead today and me and my friend caused 5 diffrent people to quit. This new game offers much needed improvements to the orginal. Instead of looking at left 4 dead as a bad thing why don't they look at Left 4 dead as a beta.

Why not look at it as a beta? Because I don't pay $50 so that I can play a beta.

A beta dosen't have to be free.look at the Halo 3 beta from 2006. It was shiped in with crackdown (and I belive Fusion frenzy 2). Sure the Beta was free but you still had to pay 60 bucks for the game that had the code in it. Right now that it is the only beta I can think of but my point is that Beta's aren't always free.

I was just making a point that your way of looking at it sounds like a raw deal for the consumer. I didn't want to get in an internet slapfight about this, but here goes... The Halo 3 beta came free with a $50 dollar game (or the $50 dollar beta came with a free game, depending on how you look at it). According to you, with L4D the game is the beta. See the difference?

I wasen't trying to get into a slapfight and I'm sorry if you saw it that way. I saw the halo 3 beta as boring while Crackdown was great sandbox game. Also the Halo 3 beta only lasted a week while the L4d *Beta* game lasts around oh I don't know somewhere around until your PC dies or your Xbox RRODs. But hey you have your own view of it I have mine.

 

[PhoenixFlame]

And this group? Yeah, it only has 3400 members right now - but you forget, that's over a period of THREE DAYS. It's growing fast, and it's going to keep on growing.

I'll believe it when I see it. As someone who's sheparded and watched communities, I've seen groups like that come and go, experiencing an initial surge of angry, enraged growth but then petering out soon after. The reason being, is that when you peer behind the anger, there's really nothing but a paper-thin cause and one that people will love to bandwagon but will hate to maintain. I see nowhere where there is an organized plan, a rational set of initiatives, or even really a clear mission other than mob mentality.

My counterargument doesn't consist of a "Valve says...", but rather, one that simply states - it's too soon to tell, and people are overreacting way too much. There's assumptions galore about how good the game will be, what kind of motivation the developers had, and everything else under the sun. Personally, I would have rather have seen this as an attached expansion pack to L4D, able to mix and match all 8 survivors in all the maps. But I expect a unifications tory is coming down the pipe for a 3rd game in the series, and expect that L4D2 will be the polished formula of L4D, with new features tacked on. Even if it's true and the first L4D really was a "beta", it sure played smoother than any "beta" I've had to experience in recent years. It was worth buying, it was worth playing, and still is, and any evolution of the game formula, which seems to work, is fine by me.

There are a significant portion of the boycott group who, in a couple of months are simply going to get over it. They're going to realize that boycotting Valve really just means they're boycotting themselves from enjoying a game they could have fun with, and they're going to drop out or not bother participating in this activist effort. I'm extremely skeptical of the longevity of such a group founded on such huge assumptions and very few facts, so while I wish nothing but the best for the people who actually believe in what the group stands for, I'd be terribly surprised if the momentum carried over at all over the next few months. Look to that boycott group to become nothing more than a blip on the radar in the L4D2 development, just like any other online "anti" or "petition" group out there.

 

[AceDefective]

the thing is ZOMBIES SELL have you every tryed arguing about zombies with a fanatic it's like
"how do they survive on only there brain"
"because they can!"
"but your saying there uprising is enevidable"
"yes"
"so how do they survive from only the brain"
"a dieses"
"how is it spread"
"?"
"is it airborn,waterborn,contracted by touch?"
"no"
"so how do you get it"
"from a bite"
"how di they first person get it"
"?"
"so ow can it happen"
"it just will"
"god, i give up"
i hate zombies

 

[Signa]

I support the idea behind this group, but I will not be crazy enough to rant like spoiled children about it. I only paid $25 for my copy of L4D, so I'm not too pissed because I feel I got exactly what I paid for. I WOULD be pissed if I did pay the full $50 price tag. It's not a $50 game, and I feel bad for those that had to pay that. Making a L4D2 this early seems like a shameless cash-grab, and besides, the new characters all suck donkey balls. I fell in love with all the current characters before I even played the game. It was just like TF2: you already know the characters like your best friends because you see them, and you know them.

I also find myself completely not caring what character I get when viewed from a purely aesthetic perspective; because everyone is so damn awesome in their own way. I think 3 of the 4 new characters I would VGcats style RAGE QUIT just because they aren't cool.

 

[AceDefective]

EVERYONES argument has become invaled L4D2 has a chainsaw

 

[AzureWrathHal]

Yeah, so I went ahead and joined the group just because of the high amounts of stupid in this thread. I figure I want as little to do with the majority of you people as possible.

Am I angry over the whole deal? I guess I'm a little annoyed. Will this group cause any significant change? Most likely not, but who knows, valve does tend to listen to its fans, whiny complaining gobshites that they are.

I'll probably just rent L4D2 on my xbox rather than waste money on it for the PC like I did with the first one, seeing as how I got bored with it after about 10-15 hours of gameplay. I guess you could consider that protest.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Wow. This awe inspiring act of misguided fanboyism certainly makes me want to...

Aw hell, who am I kidding. It makes me very glad I never got into the game. Especially now seeing what a bunch of whiny tossers inhabit the servers. Perhaps they would have a bigger impact if they abandoned the first one as well, or at least clear the road for more sensible members to enjoy the games.

 

[Music Mole]

valVe should take the names of everyone in the community and add a 15% buyers fee onto all steam games from now on just for LULZ.

 

[ThaBenMan]

*sigh* There's always someone that will complain about anything a dev does, whether that's releasing a game after way too long, or releasing a game "too soon" (for the record, L4D2 is not coming out too soon - it's refreshing, actually, not having to wait ages). The original L4D wasn't really a very resource-intensive project, I think - the longevity and "meat" of it lies in the multiplayer and variability of enemy spawns, so it makes sense that it wouldn't take as long to make L4D2 as a lot of other games.

About the characters - remember how much the character designs and actual models changed over the course of development? I'm sure they'll be quite different in the final product.

And I like the music (although I would have called it banjo rather than fiddle, but I could be wrong).

 

[PhoenixFlame]

Yeah, so I went ahead and joined the group just because of the high amounts of stupid in this thread. I figure I want as little to do with the majority of you people as possible.

...but just enough to post here, apparently. Welcome to the Escapist! We had punch and pie, but we ate most of it and fed it to the zombies. We didn't even chainsaw them and shot them the original L4D way as an olive branch.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

They do have a point when it comes to the dividing of the communities, mind you.

Also, I believe the primary source of the RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEG is that Valve is going to torque another sixty out of gamers wanting new content, instead of maintaining and upgrading the game they originally paid for.