Valve Fans Form Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group
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I'm not saying either of those stances are innocent. I'm only "anti-boycott" in that I'm not pretending I'm somehow entitled to anything from a game developer. At the same time I'm not telling them to shut up just because it's Valve. I'm telling them to shut up because they sound retarded. People bitching about the SDK, for example, sound like basically they didn't even buy the game for the game part, they bought it under the pretense that, at some point, an SDK would come out so they could make the game the way they wanted to make it.Jumplion said:
And seriously, some of them are so bent out of shape about that, it's like Valve blew up their car and shot their dog.
But again what ultimately amazes me here is the fact that after so many "man when is Valve going to release something on time for once" statements, they finally have a timely-released sequel...and people are angry about that.
This is why I think gamers as a whole need to just shut up a bit sometimes, because it's silly the lengths we go to to criticize and how we come off as ultimately unsatisfied by everything.
To be honest, I'm not at all thrilled at the idea of having paid $50 for a beta.maddawg IAJI said:
I'm of two minds about this. On one side, this smells like a trick EA would pull, which does not at all sit well with me coming from Valve. Valve is one of the few developers around these days whom I believe actually like making games, instead of seeing them (and the gamers who play them) as just cash cows. This sort of move feels like backsliding, and I worry that the trend will only get worse, heading for a theoretical worst-case scenario where Valve are charging us for different outfits for Alyx and a second ending.
On the other side, I can see where L4D 1 and 2 could possibly compliment each other. The second game is better-lit, has a bit more of an action feel to it, and takes place in an entirely different part of the U.S., allowing for a different tone to the game. I'll be upset if Valve expects me to pay full price to what seems to be amounting to little more than a "day mode" for L4D, but I think I see a path where the two games don't cannibalize (see what I did there?) each others' playerbases.
I do agree with one key point brought up by others, though- it's far too soon to tell just what is going to happen. I want to see Ep. 3 as much as anyone, but I also don't think that every person who's on the L4D team was stolen directly from, or would contribute greatly to, Ep. 3's development.
Eh, it's practically a running gag for VALVe games. There are two things that I can think of that these guys don't like L4D2 being released (or projected to be released) so early;AceDiamond said:
1) It is completely unlike VALVe. Most people accept that VALVe take forever to finish their games, and as a result of that they make excellent titles. People patiently waite for their games and most of the time they turn out great. With this, however, it's just so abrupt and sudden of VALVe that it sounds suspicious (to me anyway). I'm all for VALVe releasing games earlier, but even the really good blockbuster games take 2 or 3 years to make.
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2) It's a game that, honestly, nobody really wanted a sequel to (I say that in general terms). What pretty much everyone, and obviously the boycotts, wanted was Half-Life 2: Episod 3 and we havn't had the faintest of trickles of information on the game. Instead, in it's place, we get a game that should honestly just have the new maps, weapons, modes, and enemies from L4D2 downloaded in a patch for L4D1.
VALVe does this all the time with TF2, so why is L4D different in this aspect? What really annoys me, however, is that apparantly L4D1 was just a "test". So, you basically paid for a BETA.
But now I'm ranting, yadda yadda yadda, I honestly hope that VALVe gets knocked down a peg or two. Nothing to serious, but something to humble them (or more specifically, their fans) down a bit. Sure, they're a great company, but they're not gods of gaming.
I bought Left 4 Dead on the assumption that more content would be added, seeing as the price of the game and Valve's continued support of TF2 pointed in that direction.
To everyone that is saying we should look at L4D as a Beta or test, thats simply absurd. You don't have people pay full price for a fucking Beta.
To everyone that is saying we should look at L4D as a Beta or test, thats simply absurd. You don't have people pay full price for a fucking Beta.
Wrong. The only "New" thing they added was the Lighthouse map. Everything else was already made and ready to be ported into the new gamemodes. Survival maps (sans lighthouse) were just crescendo sections already in the game. NO CHANGE.Arkalius said:
They started working on L4D2 right after L4D was released, so it wasn't a "gradual realization". Wrong again.
All the new survivors and weapons are just reskins. Almost all of the infected are just reskins (sans the Hazmat suit guy which doesn't really take a lot of work anyways). The only new special infected is an idea from the community. The new gameplay elements look like shit. The AI director should be an update to L4D.
And yeah, the release date is why everyone's so :arms: about this. Valve never releases a game a year after another one, that's what EA does with their sports series, and everyone knows they all have little change between them. That's what's happening here.
Banjo music and bright happy colors don't fit with a horror theme. I don't even see how ANYONE can argue this. It's not about liking the music, it's about it NOT FITTING.
L4D would have been great had they finished it. But they didn't. I have no idea whether L4D2 will be the same boat or not; personally I'm not paying for it (if paying at all) until I know it's something new.
And you're wrong about the long releases. Sure, the community jokes about "Valve time", but they put up with it because it produces great games. This? This won't be great. This will be a shitty rehash of the first with gimmicky gameplay elements (frying pan, chainsaw? Seriously?). It simply isn't enough time to release a good sequel.
And again you use the "Valve says" argument when they haven't done anything they said they would for L4D.
What!? I personally liked that it drifted away from the bland shades of gray we see everywhere else.
i'm definitely getting it!
who seriously would insist on sticking with 4 old maps and nothing more?
but then i guess thats where the new content they were expecting comes in..
*shrugs*
who seriously would insist on sticking with 4 old maps and nothing more?
but then i guess thats where the new content they were expecting comes in..
*shrugs*
Quick! Assemble an Anti-Boycott group!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!!1 No, I kid. It's Valve. While I think that L4D2 is a little soon, and they could do more with L4D through downloadable content, added missions, etc. I'll still probably end up getting it. Zombie melee action ftw. Just not the day it comes out. Gotta wait till it goes down in price, like I did with the original L4D.
A entire group dedicated to bitching about the upcoming game? Now, I totally understand why they do it, and their claims are 100% legit(I myself agree that it'll tear a gap between the two games, and it might just spread the community thin ala Rainbow Six Vegas 2), but really 'boycotting' the game sounds a little... I dunno, stupid.
Lovely how groups will gather around any cause no matter how stupid. I saw the trailer for this game and was genuinely awed that another and better sequel to a game I love but am playing less and less is coming. I mean, an actual story, melee weapons rather than inexplicable infinite pistol ammo (they may still keep that but who knows for sure), actual backgrounds for the characters so we don't have to guess, no more different shades of dark in a setting that is and is meant to be vibrant and colorful rather than dark and rather bland, and new special infected AND weapons. This is exactly what at least I wanted when I first played L4D. Fans are pissed that rather than spend months or even years working large amounts of code through updates they just make another game, charge another 50 or 60 dollars and just give it all in one go? How stupid can you possibly be?
You know what also, there may be some genuine concerns why Valve shouldn't release a sequel and just instead do patch after patch after patch but you know what, it is the same for every sequel that ever came out in the past ten years at least. Who can honestly say that if Halo 2 hadn't been on the PC instead of a console, Bungie couldn't have possibly made Halo 3 with enough patches with the only thing suffering being maybe graphics and sound quality, or Half-Life 2 for that matter. ALL sequels are just gussied up versions of their predecessors with tuned up graphics and MAYBE some new content thrown in meant to continue an old story or start a new one. So I say rather than get pissy about what Valve isn't doing, every single one of us should be excited about what is to come.
OK I'm going to get of my soapbox now before my face matches the color of a tomato and the heat of the sun.
You know what also, there may be some genuine concerns why Valve shouldn't release a sequel and just instead do patch after patch after patch but you know what, it is the same for every sequel that ever came out in the past ten years at least. Who can honestly say that if Halo 2 hadn't been on the PC instead of a console, Bungie couldn't have possibly made Halo 3 with enough patches with the only thing suffering being maybe graphics and sound quality, or Half-Life 2 for that matter. ALL sequels are just gussied up versions of their predecessors with tuned up graphics and MAYBE some new content thrown in meant to continue an old story or start a new one. So I say rather than get pissy about what Valve isn't doing, every single one of us should be excited about what is to come.
OK I'm going to get of my soapbox now before my face matches the color of a tomato and the heat of the sun.
My only problem with L4D2 is the issue of price. I bought L4D less than 6 months ago, with the expectation that, as a Valve multiplayer game, it would have a long lifespan. Now it seems that just less than a year after its release, the original L4D will be obsolete. If I have to buy another game at full price to keep up to date, I will be very sad. I know there are other game series which follow this pattern, but I don't buy those games.
At the moment I am hoping that L4D2 will be priced like the Half-Life 2 Episodes, or (the most awesome thing that will never happen) in a box set with Episode Three and Portal 2. Otherwise... well, I guess I'll buy it eventually, but I will not be happy.
At the moment I am hoping that L4D2 will be priced like the Half-Life 2 Episodes, or (the most awesome thing that will never happen) in a box set with Episode Three and Portal 2. Otherwise... well, I guess I'll buy it eventually, but I will not be happy.
This is very odd to me. Usually fanboys praise and jizz their pants when a sequel to their favorite game is in production. But not valve fanboys. They have so much influence over how valve makes their games, I think they are spoiled. Valve is the only company that I know that goes to their forums, look at what people are saying and use their ideas for their own games. But the second valve does something that the fanboys find that they dont like, they stop sucking their cock and start biting it. If this was a Halo forum, all of those kiddies would be jumping up and down with glee knowing that Bungie is making a sequel to a game so fast.
I hope you're being satirical either way, because this is exactly why I want VALVe taken down a notch.mspencer82 said:
Just because it's from VALVe does not mean that everything they do is pure gold. Sure, they make a lot of games, but this insane amount of fanboyism out of the company is, well, insane.
Yes yes, they make great games, fine. But that DOES NOT MEAN that they can't be criticized and debated against!
As much as I love Team ICO, I have to keep in mind that their next game could be a flop. As much as Insomniac is a consisten developer that pumps out games every year, I have to acknoledge the fact that sometimes the games do get glitchy. Just because they have an awesome track record for games doesn't not mean that they can't screw up and that does not mean that everything they make is perfect.