Not to mention a complete and total homocidal psychopath.Mr.PlanetEater said:
Maybe that's why I liked him so much...
Video Games can be art? PROVE IT!
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Maybe that's why I liked him so much...
Some people say bioshock and all that, but meh, it's too commercial. lol, MY experience with the jerks who are like "games aren't art" are total art snobs so main-stream = bad. So I'd go with a lesser known, but still good, indi title that gets the point across. Like Penumbra, especially in the last penumbra game when they got really pretentious, art people seem to like that. OR my choice for best game ever made, Grim Fandango, it?s REALLY hard to deny that game is art considering its artistic style of graphics.
IN SHORT for peeps who skim:
Penumbra and Grim Fandango
EDIT: rereading this I want to stress that I DID like bio-shock my only thought was it's a bit commercial for art snobs.
IN SHORT for peeps who skim:
Penumbra and Grim Fandango
EDIT: rereading this I want to stress that I DID like bio-shock my only thought was it's a bit commercial for art snobs.
Rez HD. Art is best in my eyes when it reaches you on multiple levels, and the synesthetic experience of playing Rez achieves that completely.
This thread is silly. The very definition of art is vague and indistinct, and at best what is considered art (and even more importantly what is considered good art) is relentlessly subjective, therefore asking anyone to prove what essentially cannot be proven is the mentality of someone who spends too much time with their head in their rectum.
Hell, if rap music ([small]haha oxymoron[/small]) is a form of art, then tell me how video games aren't.
The best answer I think. It's pretty much impossible to convince anyone anyway. They likely already have their minds made up to refuse anything you show them anyway.AnOriginalConcept said:
I concur with this and my original post. The one that is above that you cannot play Gigaguy64Gigaguy64 said:
I second. HOWEVER! I haven't played many "artsy games." The only other true work of art in gaming I've played is Red Dead Redemption. I'm planning on getting steam just to get psychonaughts, and I might download Silent Hill for my Ps3. Also I became interested in Eternal Darkness after watching the Spoony One's review.Macgyvercas said:
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/10/30/horror-game-classics-%e2%80%93-eternal-darkness-sanitys-requiem/
Before I can deal with "are games art" I need to ask a question: How does one define art?
If you can define art in such a way to exclude games yet retain all traditional forms of art I'd like to hear it.
If you can define art in such a way to exclude games yet retain all traditional forms of art I'd like to hear it.
I would tell him to think about this: Think about the truly great pieces of art you've seen (including music, paintings, sculptures, etc.) For every truly great piece of art in any medium, you're going to get about one hundred horrible pieces. For every Mona Lisa or Michelangelo's David, you're going to get one or two products that are... well, junk.
It's the same with games, I think. For every Shadow of the Colossus, Portal, or Okami, there's a Shadow the Hedgehog, Superman 64, or Custer's Revenge.
And the one game I'd pick to show him? I can't really say. Enjoyment of individual video games is subjective, I think. I'd have to pick a game he'd enjoy.
It's the same with games, I think. For every Shadow of the Colossus, Portal, or Okami, there's a Shadow the Hedgehog, Superman 64, or Custer's Revenge.
And the one game I'd pick to show him? I can't really say. Enjoyment of individual video games is subjective, I think. I'd have to pick a game he'd enjoy.
You have spoken pure poison for the trolls who throw these questions at everyone. Good one!Irridium said:
OT: I would point out Bioshock. The storyline is so good, when you play it, you feel genuinely betrayed when you know who says that certain line that makes you do whatever he wants. No one can disprove that game as art.
1. Can movies be art? Video games simply add interactivity to cinematic experience.
2. Can photographs be art? Movies are made of millions of these strung together, in a manner of speaking.
3. Can paintings be art?
...You see where I'm going. Art is a question of execution, not medium. A game can be a training program, but most of the time it's art. A movie can be a documentary, but most of the time it's art. A photo can be for any reason whatsoever, including art. A painting is art in most cases. So the question I present is: convince me that video games aren't art, because if you can't play a game and feel an emotion either there is something wrong with you or video games aren't your thing. Like some people don't watch movies. Or give a rat's ### about paintings. There, I said more than just "subjectivity." Thank you very much.
Shadow of the Colossus.
Ico.
Silent Hill 2.
Metroid Prime.
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
Goodnight all.
2. Can photographs be art? Movies are made of millions of these strung together, in a manner of speaking.
3. Can paintings be art?
...You see where I'm going. Art is a question of execution, not medium. A game can be a training program, but most of the time it's art. A movie can be a documentary, but most of the time it's art. A photo can be for any reason whatsoever, including art. A painting is art in most cases. So the question I present is: convince me that video games aren't art, because if you can't play a game and feel an emotion either there is something wrong with you or video games aren't your thing. Like some people don't watch movies. Or give a rat's ### about paintings. There, I said more than just "subjectivity." Thank you very much.
Shadow of the Colossus.
Ico.
Silent Hill 2.
Metroid Prime.
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
Goodnight all.
This, along with The Path, The Void and Shadow of the Colossus, but I doubt your little enemy would manage to even play them. The Void is specially difficult, maybe as Demon's Souls.Housebroken Lunatic said:
but other than that just ignore him.
I also agree with your earlier post.Aura Guardian said:I concur with this and my original post. The one that is above that you cannot play Gigaguy64Gigaguy64 said:
Muramasa looks AMAZING.
And i will play it one day.
But first...Metroid is coming.....
Allow me to /thread that for you. The closest video games have come to literature, and yet so few people have actually played it.Z(ombie)fan said:
Although this thread is silly, anyway, and probably should end soon. These "GAMES ARE ART HURR HURR" threads are getting a little annoying, to be frank, full of people desperately trying to legitimize their hobby of choice when, in reality, it doesn't need legitimizing. Ah, well.
My rap comment, believe it or not, has nothing to do with my hatred of rap. I don't consider a "beat" music. And yes for all you people out there that say screaming isn't music, well, you are right. But behind the screaming there is a guitar(s), bass, and drums, which is music. Some guy doing poetry to a "beat" will never be "music" to me, until I hear an instrumental rap song (and from telling people that I learned that a lot of people actually don't know what instrumental means).Lyri said:
Gothic,Gothic II,and Gothic II:Night of the Raven.
In each game,a story is painted to you,from beginning to end. Many things are left for you,the player,to decide and interperet. It invokes your deeper,more beastial emotions in some scenarios,like the urge to survive when you see a fifteen foot,gorilla-like,tusked monstrosity headed your way,or of terror when one of the servants of Beliar (God of Darkness), the Seekers approach. Of anger when you are betrayed by Gomez,if you decided to join the Old Camp. The music in the game is also beautiful,as each song is made SPECIFICALY FOR THAT INSTANCE! In the first game,there's a different combat track for the Swamp,Arena,and New Camp from anywhere else. The characters are believable. The story is compelling. All in all,it is art,in my opinion. If the guy disagrees,I'll say "To each his own." and walk away.
In each game,a story is painted to you,from beginning to end. Many things are left for you,the player,to decide and interperet. It invokes your deeper,more beastial emotions in some scenarios,like the urge to survive when you see a fifteen foot,gorilla-like,tusked monstrosity headed your way,or of terror when one of the servants of Beliar (God of Darkness), the Seekers approach. Of anger when you are betrayed by Gomez,if you decided to join the Old Camp. The music in the game is also beautiful,as each song is made SPECIFICALY FOR THAT INSTANCE! In the first game,there's a different combat track for the Swamp,Arena,and New Camp from anywhere else. The characters are believable. The story is compelling. All in all,it is art,in my opinion. If the guy disagrees,I'll say "To each his own." and walk away.