Video Games can be art? PROVE IT!
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I think I would pick either A.) Okami, for the amazing stylistic art design, or B.) Red Dead Redemption. Why RDR? 'Cause to me, it really was a psychological mind%&*$. EVERY SINGLE side story or mission you did that involved other people was depraved, twisted. Pretty soon I started feeling like the only sane, slightly moral person in the entire game. Anyone who did something admirable was blown away. It kinda started to make me feel terribly alone, and the ending was just.. wows.
But... I would only argue over artistic qualities in games with someone who actually cared to enter into adult conversation. Petty jabs like the one you mentioned don't seem worth fighting about. Unless.. you really like debates. In which case, I dig your style. xD
But... I would only argue over artistic qualities in games with someone who actually cared to enter into adult conversation. Petty jabs like the one you mentioned don't seem worth fighting about. Unless.. you really like debates. In which case, I dig your style. xD
Why do you guys care about this?
Why does it matter?
Is there ever gonna be a museum of video games? That would be fucking stupid. Video games are entertainment, pure and simple, and any game that tries to be more than that is no longer a GAME.
I don't want to play any 'game' that calls itself art. And neither should you.
All the games listed here, none of them called themselves art. That is a label that we, the gamers, applied to them. Every game listed here is a game first and foremost. They are centered around gameplay, around creating an enjoyable experience for the player.
Art can be beautiful, yes, but it can also be ugly, it can also hurt to look at or hear, and still be called art by many. Games do not enjoy that luxury. No one in their right mind is gonna say that Superman 64 was art. Games HAVE to be enjoyable to be considered art by even the gamers, therefore they are not art. They are fucking GAMES. And that's how I like them.
Why does it matter?
Is there ever gonna be a museum of video games? That would be fucking stupid. Video games are entertainment, pure and simple, and any game that tries to be more than that is no longer a GAME.
I don't want to play any 'game' that calls itself art. And neither should you.
All the games listed here, none of them called themselves art. That is a label that we, the gamers, applied to them. Every game listed here is a game first and foremost. They are centered around gameplay, around creating an enjoyable experience for the player.
Art can be beautiful, yes, but it can also be ugly, it can also hurt to look at or hear, and still be called art by many. Games do not enjoy that luxury. No one in their right mind is gonna say that Superman 64 was art. Games HAVE to be enjoyable to be considered art by even the gamers, therefore they are not art. They are fucking GAMES. And that's how I like them.
The short answer, I would use Shadow of the Collossus to illustrate my point.
My point, however, (long answer) would be that art needs a design. (That is my definition) Honestly, art is subjective. But the problem with that is that it allows this to be art:
My remote sitting on my desk could be art. The condensation ring left on a table could be art, instead of my laziness to grab a coaster. As art it makes the price of my table go up, otherwise it ruins the value of my table.
Design needs to be implemented and the splatters on the picture above were not guided. Just the main black one. And even that, only somewhat. It takes no talent to create the image above. And it sold to someone for an undisclosed amount. This is not art and I challenge anyone to prove to me how it is without using the word "subjective".
Video games go through excrutiating design procedures and also have alot of passion invested in them. Unfortunatley, in the business world of today, they tend to be released before the artist is done. So it is like selling the Mona Lisa before Devinci is done painting the background, but at least she is painted. But all the ingredients to making a movie, song, or painting go into making a game. Passion, design, fine-tuning what works and what doesn't, hours and hours of labor, etc. And To boot they all have a message and impact in a way. Even as far back as Pong provokes and compels our competative nature. I am not saying Pong is definatley art just that using the subjective arguement everything is art thus video games are.
Even if you don't use subjective, video games involve all the major faucets of art. Especially today where they are trying to emulate reality to an extent. The term graphic artist was coined appropriately. I would even go so far as to say that some coding out there is art. It is like poetry in computer laguage sometimes. What is Windows other than an artisic implemented design of DOS?
I will call Windows 95 Art before I call that crap image I posted art.
My point, however, (long answer) would be that art needs a design. (That is my definition) Honestly, art is subjective. But the problem with that is that it allows this to be art:
My remote sitting on my desk could be art. The condensation ring left on a table could be art, instead of my laziness to grab a coaster. As art it makes the price of my table go up, otherwise it ruins the value of my table.
Design needs to be implemented and the splatters on the picture above were not guided. Just the main black one. And even that, only somewhat. It takes no talent to create the image above. And it sold to someone for an undisclosed amount. This is not art and I challenge anyone to prove to me how it is without using the word "subjective".
Video games go through excrutiating design procedures and also have alot of passion invested in them. Unfortunatley, in the business world of today, they tend to be released before the artist is done. So it is like selling the Mona Lisa before Devinci is done painting the background, but at least she is painted. But all the ingredients to making a movie, song, or painting go into making a game. Passion, design, fine-tuning what works and what doesn't, hours and hours of labor, etc. And To boot they all have a message and impact in a way. Even as far back as Pong provokes and compels our competative nature. I am not saying Pong is definatley art just that using the subjective arguement everything is art thus video games are.
Even if you don't use subjective, video games involve all the major faucets of art. Especially today where they are trying to emulate reality to an extent. The term graphic artist was coined appropriately. I would even go so far as to say that some coding out there is art. It is like poetry in computer laguage sometimes. What is Windows other than an artisic implemented design of DOS?
I will call Windows 95 Art before I call that crap image I posted art.
I'd just ask what a loser who runs around calling people nerds and losers could ever know about in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Paint
There you go. Conclusive evidence. Now leave me alone, Mr. Bully, and play your B-Ball with your gangsta friends.
What's the difference between ink on a canvas and ink on a page?
There you go. Conclusive evidence. Now leave me alone, Mr. Bully, and play your B-Ball with your gangsta friends.
Sorry, the >.< makes it hard for me to know if you are being serious or not, I'll assume the former.Skullkid4187 said:
What's the difference between ink on a canvas and ink on a page?
Looks amazing? LOOKS!?!?!Gigaguy64 said:I also agree with your earlier post.Aura Guardian said:I concur with this and my original post. The one that is above that you cannot play Gigaguy64Gigaguy64 said:
Muramasa looks AMAZING.
And i will play it one day.
But first...Metroid is coming.....
And woot about Metorid
Muscle March, just to screw with him, besides you cant tell me it makes less sense than a jackson pollock.
I'd show him the back of my head because this argument can never be won.
Art is subjective, as is preference for anything, like video games or music.
You can't force anyone to think the way you do about any of these things, so why bother trying?
Let him like what he likes, and think what he thinks, and rest assured in the knowledge that no matter what he thinks nothing will change your idea of video games being art.
Art is subjective, as is preference for anything, like video games or music.
You can't force anyone to think the way you do about any of these things, so why bother trying?
Let him like what he likes, and think what he thinks, and rest assured in the knowledge that no matter what he thinks nothing will change your idea of video games being art.
