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Heathrow

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IrisEver said:
I suppose my way is a little more violent than you describe.

But I'm not sure it matters. I think I'll just have to accept my fate. What upsets me more is a man taking one look at me and thinking I'm weak -- especially if it's the sort of man I could have a relationship with who wants a more hotly tempered character, but he rejects me based on something far from reality. I'm quite short and feminine looking. It stings when it's assume you're not who you are, and even get rejection from it.
You know being provocative is only fun if you respond, ah well.

You seem awfully down on yourself in these posts, I must say I'm familiar with the feeling. Get your heart trod on enough times and it's easy to lose hope. I don't know what you want to take away from this thread but remember this: there are lots of people in this world and you never know when you might find the right one for you. Whatever else life is, it's always surprising.
 

Balvale

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I'm pretty non-violent and don't have any masochistic tendencies, so I'd say no to the violent woman thing.
 

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IrisEver said:
Is it really so scary to men? I'm not looking for advice here, even though I do despair at the lack of relationship prospects for me. I can handle myself. I want insight into why so many men seem to need and expect passive women.
you know I have noticed that its not really acceptible for girls to have disagreements "physically" (or not taken seriously..."cat fight" and such) but for guys its "more or less" considered ok

not that Id want to get into a fight...Id get my ass kicked, but I have of coarse day dreamed about smashing certian peoples heads in....

uhhhh ignore that part
 

Womplord

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I think you are just being childish, OP. Who would want to be with a violent person? I think you are in denial about how innocent you are and need to grow up.

...In retrespect I might be just exaggerating... it's hard to differentiate an abusive personality from a kind of 'aggressive' personality (which there is nothing wrong with and may simply require a different mindset from the man) without knowing you well and without even reading the whole thread...
 

Jeralt2100

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Speaking as a guy in his early 30's I'd have to say that I much prefer a woman who is more....animated. As intheweeds said, actual violence outside of the bedroom is not really ok, especially in the US since in most cases a woman can assault a man however she wants but if he strikes her one time he's going to jail. 'Playful' violence, as in foreplay or just a good back and forth can be great though. There's a lot of great sexual tension to build up in those arguments and making up is always fun.

Overall though, reading your posts leads me to believe that you're just a very outspoken, passionate woman, and there's /nothing/ wrong with that. A lot of guys, myself included, would rather date a woman like you than a timid and demure girl.
 

IrisEver

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Heathrow said:
IrisEver said:
I suppose my way is a little more violent than you describe.

But I'm not sure it matters. I think I'll just have to accept my fate. What upsets me more is a man taking one look at me and thinking I'm weak -- especially if it's the sort of man I could have a relationship with who wants a more hotly tempered character, but he rejects me based on something far from reality. I'm quite short and feminine looking. It stings when it's assume you're not who you are, and even get rejection from it.
You know being provocative is only fun if you respond, ah well.

You seem awfully down on yourself in these posts, I must say I'm familiar with the feeling. Get your heart trod on enough times and it's easy to lose hope. I don't know what you want to take away from this thread but remember this: there are lots of people in this world and you never know when you might find the right one for you. Whatever else life is, it's always surprising.
I'm not down on myself, as such. I'm simply frustrated that theres seemingly very few prospects for a relationship considering my values. I'm okay being single, but I wont lie about wanting to meet someone eventually.
 

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Womplord said:
I think you are just being childish, OP. Who would want to be with a violent person? I think you are in denial about how innocent you are and need to grow up.
No actualy I pretty much think you called it.
 

LilithSlave

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I think that submissive women are boring.

I think that aggressive women are super sexy.

Though it does depend on what the aggression is about.
 

IrisEver

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StANDY1338 said:
Womplord said:
I think you are just being childish, OP. Who would want to be with a violent person? I think you are in denial about how innocent you are and need to grow up.
No actualy I pretty much think you called it.
It's a woman, so it must be innocent. If it's not, it's certainly being childish.

No.
 

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Seeing how you're not so much "violent" as much "assertive," and how some guys posted that they like your type, I really don't have a definite answer. I myself am actually more attracted to girls like you but I know some people who like more passive girls. I'll ask them.
 

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Playfighting is cool, trying to beat the shit out of your boyfriend or whatever isn't cool cos he can't hit you back.

The whole battle of the sexes thing annoys me sometimes, yeah there are mild biological differences but were all just monkeys with shoes. one has a dick the other doesn't, the hormones are a bit different, one has a brain structure that tends toward spacial perception the other toward social behaviour and language, but otherwise exactly the same.

I don't have any expectations of women, I have expectations of people. I find the way the mild biological differences culminate in different behaviours fascinating, but most of those behaviours are expressed by both sexes, hence camp gay guys, and butch gay women. Gender is flexible. Gender doesn't change who you are if you are a bad person you are a bad person, gender has nothing to do with it except it might change the way you express said bad behaviour. Same with race, same with culture.
 

Heathrow

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IrisEver said:
I'm not down on myself, as such. I'm simply frustrated that theres seemingly very few prospects for a relationship considering my values. I'm okay being single, but I wont lie about wanting to meet someone eventually.
Well you only need to meet one prospect, right?

I didn't mean to say you sounded depressed or anything. I guess it would be more accurate to say you seem fed up which would make sense if you feel like eventually isn't happening quite fast enough. Have you been single for a while?
 

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IrisEver said:
So I come to you. What do YOU think about women with a more violent and hot-headed nature than the norm? Do you prefer women to be subtle? Mother you? Why do you prefer this?

Is it really so scary to men? I'm not looking for advice here, even though I do despair at the lack of relationship prospects for me. I can handle myself. I want insight into why so many men seem to need and expect passive women.
Really it differs from man to man, as with everything else in life. But i guess the reason why many guys fear aggressive is because they are naturally inclined/socially expected to be dominant. When they meet a guy who is more dominant than them they're like: Ok that dude's an alpha, i wont mess with him. If they meet a woman who are more dominant than them they get insecure and weirded out.

Personally i can't stand the thought of having a passive girlfriend. And the thought of someone else than my mother mothering me.... Euwch. Believe me i'd like to find an aggressive girl, but she's sure as fuck not going to push me around.

I'm a friendly, easygoing person with a sense of humor but i'm also stubborn, (over)confident and have a venomous rage if i'm messed with (bipolar tendencies HOOOOO!). I'm looking for a "Unstoppable Force meets Unmovable Object" kind of relationship. Y'know, where you can mutually swear at each other without anybody feeling hurt. If that kind of a girl is a ***** then i guess i just like bitches.

There is (probably) more guys that think this way. I wouldn't give up hope.
 

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I wouldn't want to be with anyone violent, I don't see it as a good trait in men or women. I go to lengths to avoid violent people. I prefer everyone to be passive, so I can mind my own business.
 

IrisEver

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Heathrow said:
IrisEver said:
Have you been single for a while?
Yes, for a while. But that's not really the problem, it's thinking I'll never meet anyone to have that connection with that bothers me from time to time. Not that I don't have it right now. I'm young, I have time. It's just that things look quite bleak from where I'm standing in this regard.

ChaoticKraus said:
IrisEver said:
..I'm looking for a "Unstoppable Force meets Unmovable Object" kind of relationship. Y'know, where you can mutually swear at each other without anybody feeling hurt...
You've hit the nail on the head there, with 'Unstoppable Force meets Unmovable Object'. I'd need someone who is an Unmovable Object. There's just so many people who seem so delicate. I feel out of place.
 

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It's funny. I am a very confident, aggressive person--except I'm male--and I've had at least 2 exes tell me the reason they split is because I wasn't patient, sensitive or 'caring' enough. So this doesn't strike me as a gender issue, but more about conflicting personalities.
 

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IrisEver said:
I like my women with a bit of fire to them. That being said, I don't like them to be douchebags or obnoxious, no more than I like the same in men. I've met many women who take the whole "strong and in-your-face" thing too far and then think it justified because they are women, when that same behaviour in men would be considered extremely rude.

As for the expectations, it's a complicated thing. For one thing, you use the word violent. Women are expected to be non-violent, that's true, but at the same time social norm prohibits violence toward women (to a greater degree than violence against men). And it's not just physical violence, it's agression in general - verbal agression, agressive attitude, etc.

So look at it from a male perspective - you aren't supposed to be agressive towards women, but there are women who are agressive towards you. If you respond to that agression in the same way you'd respont to a man doing the same, your behaviour will be considered inappropriate. So by and large, there is pressure on women to be less agressive to avoid such situations.

Example: You are a man. Another man walks up to you and punches you in the face. You punch him back. Sure, it's not a pretty situation, but you would likely be considered justified in your actions. Now, a woman walks up to you and punches you in the face. What do you do? Punch her? Congrats, you are now a prime target for every feminist in the world.

I agree that double standards should be done away with, but if you're fighting against double standards, make sure you're fighting against ALL double standars, even those that benefit you.
 

IrisEver

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Jandau said:
Now, a woman walks up to you and punches you in the face. What do you do? Punch her? Congrats, you are now a prime target for every feminist in the world.
Then those feminists are idiots. If a woman punches you and starts something, you're free to start something back.

I'm far from a feminist.

Similarly, in the sort of relationship I'd want, if I jumped my man while walking past him, I wouldn't want him to just back down.