What would you have done in my situation?

Feralcentaur

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Seriphina said:
soooo he deserves the cancer?
No, he clearly just thinks that the man in this example is not as worth of the the money as...something else, just consider this, why give money to keep someone alive who you hate when you can instead use it to keep alive someone you don't know or someone you know and love.
 

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Right, so, some background information!

Earlier this school year, someone in my year at school was diagnosed with a pretty rare cancer. So he hasn't been in school since the beginning of the year. Now, I'd like to point out that this guy was always a total prick. I mean, I never had a conversation with him that didn't involve him being an utter asshat towards me for no reason. I'd also like to point out that a lot of other people never used to like him either.

So, there's a charity event on this weekend, and upon being asked if I was going to go, I replied with a very firm no, by which I said "Haha, not a chance."

So, why won't I support my year mate, I was asked, as "HE'S SO BRAVE TO FIGHT THROUGH THIS!"... Apparently.

I won't support him because he's the most arrogant tool I've ever talked to in my life, and apparently everyone else in my year totally forgot this when he got diagnosed. Really? I mean, it's like when Michael Jackson died, I seemed to be the only person I know who actually remembered the fact that he was a bad person (y'know, the whole, holding his child over the railings of a balcony quite high up, and the sleeping with children [I never implied he had sex with them, shut up before you flame me]).

So, yeah, question's simple, what would you have done?
Is it a charity event specifically for said tool or for people fighting this rare form of cancer in general? If the former, then it's time to make fun of the biased hypocrites for going (OOH, CANCER MAKES YOU BRAVE). If it's the latter, suck it up and think of the people who aren't the tool going through cancer-hell who your money is also going towards.
 

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Psycho-Toaster said:
I'd do exactly as you did. I'd respect the guy, and certainly feel sympathy for him, but if he's a dick, getting cancer won't change that.
Yes because you have had sooo much life experience, I have had cancer (bone marrow) and it did fucking change me so why dont you go and eat a little shut the fuck up you ass
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No_Remainders said:
Right, so, some background information!
Is it a charity event specifically for said tool or for people fighting this rare form of cancer in general? If the former, then it's time to make fun of the biased hypocrites for going (OOH, CANCER MAKES YOU BRAVE)
You do know what happens when you have chemotherapy you feel worse than shit
 

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FeralCentaur said:
Seriphina said:
soooo he deserves the cancer?
No, he clearly just thinks that the man in this example is not as worth of the the money as...something else, just consider this, why give money to keep someone alive who you hate when you can instead use it to keep alive someone you don't know or someone you know and love.
It's a well-documented tendency in humans that they will first protect those they feel close to, then those they feel neutral to, and then MAYBE those they feel alienated by. Extreme forms of this have produced most prejudices under the sun, but the expansion of the definition of "close" has lead to a lot of good as well, including most forms of charity.
 

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I would have done the same as you, except worded my response differently. Other than that you're justified.
 

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dying doesn't suddenly make someone a nice person, but still, I would at least donate SOMETHING.
an asshole's an asshole, but a human being's still a human being.
I wouldn't jump on the "HE'S SO BRAVE" wagon, but I'd at least feel a little bad for him...
No, cancer doesn't make him a hero, but... well... IT'S CANCER. if the guy's in school, that means he's at most in his mid-upper twenties. that's not even half of the average life expectancy (I'm goin by US numbers here, so around 75-80 something years old I think). Imagine that, your life isn't even half over, and boom, you're told you're going to die. Unless this guy was literally Adolf Hitler, I'd show a little bit of compassion. do you have to praise him? no. do you have to like him if he pulls through? no. would he do the same for you? who knows. but I atleast know that I'd feel good helping someone in need, asshat or not.
This is closest to my reaction. It doesn't matter if he's a jerk, it's still cancer, and being an ass to a guy with cancer makes you just as much of a jerk. You don't have to like him, but you do need to respect him.
Why? Why does he have to respect someone who has been nothing but a dick to him? Because he got cancer? No, fuck that shit. OP has no obligation to help someone he doesn't like. If I got cancer, I would not expect anyone I had been a complete dick to to suddenly help me out.
Why? Honestly... it's just the right thing to do. If people could be a little more magnanimous, a little more forgiving, especially in these kinds of situations, this world might just be a bit of a nicer place to live.


And that, ladies and gentlemen, was the sappiest thing you will read all week.
 

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It's easy to do the right thing when we're helping people we like. It's harder when we're helping people who are assholes. That doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.

Honestly. would it be that huge a sacrifice to just pitch in? The guy's in trouble. He needs help. At the end of the day, the way you treat other people is what matters, not how they treat you. I say do what you can, but I'm obviously not in a position to force anything, this being the internet.
I agree with your opening and how its more important how you treat others, but where do you draw the line? I mean, a lot of people are in trouble, and a lot of people need help. The good causes are currently draining my bankaccount. Causes I support. I don't (and can't) support them all.

Had people not had the conventional thought to organize something, would people have cared? Why not do something extra nice for someone you actually know, or, I suppose: like?

Honestly, would you pitch in?
 

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NOT WILL said:
I have had cancer (bone marrow) and it did fucking change me so why dont you go and eat a little shut the fuck up you dumbass
It seems to have made incapable of reading the rules. The rules say clearly in big letters " DON'T BE A JERK!", telling someone to "ear a little shut the fuck up" and then calling them a dumbass is exactly the opposite of what that rule tells you to be.
 

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NOT WILL said:
Psycho-Toaster said:
I'd do exactly as you did. I'd respect the guy, and certainly feel sympathy for him, but if he's a dick, getting cancer won't change that.
Yes because you have had sooo much life experience, I have had cancer (bone marrow) and it did fucking change me so why dont you go and eat a little shut the fuck up you dumbass
Cancer changes everyone involved, it's true, but does suffering actually make you a more tolerant, polite, considerate, or amicable person? It really depends on the person what form these changes may take (aside from probably developing a penchant for donating to charities focused on caring for cancer patients)
 

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Was the charity event just for him? Or for a type of cancer/cancer sufferers in general? If it was the latter, then I would definitely go, for obvious reasons.

If it was just for him, I'd still go, actually. No matter how much of an asshat he might have been towards you and others (for which we can only take your evidence) he's still been hit by the C-hammer, and if nothing else you should be glad it wasn't you. Be the bigger man, and have pity on those less fortunate than yourself. Even if that 'less fortunate' includes appalling social skills.

I agree that sometimes people are (unjustly) practically canonized just for getting ill, but really, even if he is an ass, he's still fighting a fight that could end in his death, and just being a bit of a douche doesn't make that end any less horrible.
 

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Yes and no...

I don't think I would have wanted to go but I'm a stingy person and charity is not my thing. Plus if you don't like the guy, it's all very understandable you wouldn't want to support him.

However... there's this little thing called tact. You probably need to learn how to use it.

For whatever reason, people have this issue with speaking ill of the dead. I like to imagine it's because they're no longer around to defend themselves or show just how bad they are. It probably looks obnoxious to a person who never knew the deceased to hear someone badmouth them so horrible.

Granted, this guy isn't dead but since Cancer is often a death sentence, people will probably react as such.

Basically, I don't believe you should have because now most people will probably think of you as the dick. Or that you're at least more of a dick than he is.
 

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Same as you did. There was a girl that died in a car crash (she went into a car with a drunk driver and sat in the trunk) and she was a complete ***** when she was alive and people talked a lot of trash about her. After her death she became a complete angel to everyone and people who didn't even know her or how she was were crying about it. When people said it was a tragic accident I would say it really wasn't because how stupid are you to get into a car with a drunk driver in the first place and then being a terrible person to everyone else. I got dirty looks, but people knew I was right with them shutting their mouths.
 

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Coming from someone who has undergone chemotheraphy and radiation treatment in the past for cancer . . . I wouldn't ever wish such a condition on anyone, even my enemies. The treatment is brutal and beat you horribly, the emotional stress you'll undergo with friends and family is taxing, it makes it near impossible to work . . . it's a rough fight, one that drasitcally changes many people. They won't be the same afterwards as they were before.

Personally, whether the guy was/is an ass-hat or not, being supportive of what he's going through should give you the satisfaction of knowing you're the bigger person. Applying a "you get what you deserve" attitude to such a situation really makes you no better than him.
 

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BanthaFodder said:
Enslave_All_Elves said:
I'd simply say "Nope."

Anymore explanation beyond is more than other people deserve. Nothing makes you beholden to shovel money to a douche. Karma's a ***** or somethingblahblah
ah, karma... remember kids, don't be rude, or you will get a TERMINAL ILLNESS AND DIE BEFORE YOU EVEN LEAVE SCHOOL.

yeah, this kid DESERVES to die in a horrible way, how DARE he act like a DOUCHE IN HIGHSCHOOL. THAT BEHAVIOR IS JUST UNHEARD OF. anyone who acts like a dick in highschool should totally DIE. and you know what pisses me off? babies. always crying, biting people, they're so rude and lazy. I WISH EVERY BABY ON EARTH WOULD JUST FUCK OFF AND DIE OF CANCER. THAT'S WHAT THEY GET FOR ACTNG LIKE DICKS.

*sarcastic rant over
but seriously OP? someone acts like a dick, gets cancer, and your response is "ha, never liked him, let him rot."?
dick move.
Babies never made fun of anyone as they don't even have decent language skills yet, babies are hardly able to even comprehend things going on around them, Babies are more likely to continue living more years than a teenager is, why give money to a douche when you could instead give the money to save a nice person, were in a recession ya know, babies can't really hurt you badly they're only teething, babies have only had a year or 2 to prove what kind of person they are/ will be and even then they wouldn't understand that they were being tested whilst a teenager has had 13 to 19 (it ends in ninteen so I'm saying it's a teenager darnnit!) years to prove him or her self, perhaps if we didn't provide medical services to mean people natural selection would allow nice people a better chance of spreading the nice gene (as silly and as stupid and as simplified as that sounds) those are some reasons.
conflictofinterests said:
FeralCentaur said:
Seriphina said:
soooo he deserves the cancer?
No, he clearly just thinks that the man in this example is not as worth of the the money as...something else, just consider this, why give money to keep someone alive who you hate when you can instead use it to keep alive someone you don't know or someone you know and love.
It's a well-documented tendency in humans that they will first protect those they feel close to, then those they feel neutral to, and then MAYBE those they feel alienated by. Extreme forms of this have produced most prejudices under the sun, but the expansion of the definition of "close" has lead to a lot of good as well, including most forms of charity.
It is also well known that Humans and some Human instincts are flawed. So perhaps using Human instinct as a Golden beacon of what is right and what is wrong is a flawed method of arguing, or perhaps it's the perfect method since Humans mostly only judge the morality of other Humans, but what if this guy was secretly an alien....
 

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No_Remainders said:
"Haha, not a chance."
Did you really laugh because that probably was not the smartest thing to do. If he was a jerk to me then no I would not go. Just because someone is sick should not give them instant forgiveness for being a jerk and mistreating other people.
 

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You talk about him being a total ass-hat, but do you really think yourself better than him? You're being a total asshole about this. I understand your stance and might even agree with you to an extent, but come on man. The guy could very well die. It's called respect. You don't like the guy, I get that. Be the bigger man and at least be respectful. Don't just laugh this off 'cause he was a bit "mean" to you.


No_Remainders said:
I'm gonna break this down really quick.

1) I'd like to point out that I'm callous, but that's completely different from being an all-round prick, like he is.

2) I don't talk much. I don't worry about what people think of me. Blah, blah. I'm quiet. I didn't deserve shitty treatment, he decided to piss me off anyway. Shrug, callous.

3) I'd expect him to do the exact same as always, think about himself and only himself. That's what he always did, and he was incapable of viewing it from someone else's perspective. I can understand why he might deserve my assistance, but honestly? Fuck him. I don't give a flying shit about him, and he wouldn't give a flying shit about me. I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and pretend he was a great guy.

As for your "protip". I didn't want reassurance. I was just wondering how other people viewed the situation :)
No, you're an asshole. Laughing at someone who is dieing of cancer makes you a massive asshole.

And you say he only thinks of himself, that he can't look at things through other people's perspective. Look at this situation through his. He. Is. Dieing.

You are a hypocrite, guy. What could this guy have done to make you hate him so damn much? You use the words "pissed me off". Was that all? Fuck him? Fuck you, buddy.
 

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FeralCentaur said:
Seriphina said:
soooo he deserves the cancer?
No, he clearly just thinks that the man in this example is not as worth of the the money as...something else, just consider this, why give money to keep someone alive who you hate when you can instead use it to keep alive someone you don't know or someone you know and love.
What is wrong with the world?!
It shouldnt matter if you like or dislike the person.
People give to charity all the time but they aren't like "only give this to the starving people who aren't assholes about it k?"
 

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I think the reply "Not a goddamned chance" would be my number 1 pick. Guy's a douche before he gets diagnosed he doesn't suddenly get a free pass for bein a dick.
 

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I dunno man, people aren't asking you to like the guy, just support his battle against cancer. Seems a little reasonable.

I was constantly resentful of a kid who had cancer through all my primary school years (about 5-11 years old). he was blind too incidentally.
It was understandable, kinda, since I was a kid and naturally was pissed off that I had to be nice to him all the time even though he could be an entitled douche at times. Well, about a year after primary school finished he died. This was 2002.The guy didn't live past 13 years old. that was fucking tragic, and way bigger than my feeling toward him. Maybe it's the case with your situation too?

EDIT: Oh, one more thing. No need to suddenly say you always liked him or that he's your friend or anything like that. If he's a douche, he's a douche, cancer might change his attitude, it might not.
Again though, that's not the issue. You should be supporting this guy even though you don't like him, just because his situation is (probably, I don't know the details) worse than your situation at the moment.
 

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No_Remainders said:
Right, so, some background information!

Earlier this school year, someone in my year at school was diagnosed with a pretty rare cancer. So he hasn't been in school since the beginning of the year. Now, I'd like to point out that this guy was always a total prick. I mean, I never had a conversation with him that didn't involve him being an utter asshat towards me for no reason. I'd also like to point out that a lot of other people never used to like him either.

So, there's a charity event on this weekend, and upon being asked if I was going to go, I replied with a very firm no, by which I said "Haha, not a chance."

So, why won't I support my year mate, I was asked, as "HE'S SO BRAVE TO FIGHT THROUGH THIS!"... Apparently.

I won't support him because he's the most arrogant tool I've ever talked to in my life, and apparently everyone else in my year totally forgot this when he got diagnosed. Really? I mean, it's like when Michael Jackson died, I seemed to be the only person I know who actually remembered the fact that he was a bad person (y'know, the whole, holding his child over the railings of a balcony quite high up, and the sleeping with children [I never implied he had sex with them, shut up before you flame me]).

So, yeah, question's simple, what would you have done?
What you did was understandable. He'd keep on being a prick if he wasn't sick. Then again, people will be assholes, you can't control that. What you can control is how you're going to react to them. There's something to be said for being the bigger person. From the sounds of it though I doubt he's going to be in tears if he doesn't see you there. Odds are he neither remembers you nor cares how he treated you. As I say this though I remember how this guy who used to bully me with his friends in school actually sought me out to apologize to me. I was totally surprised, he came totally out of the blue. People are complicated, heck I guess I should just avoid making guesses about what he's thinking.

Also, this is me flaming you for your comments on Mr. Jackson.