Xbox One "Will Do Very Little" Without Day-One Patch
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But the mere fact that any of this is necessary justifies people anger. Not that the PS4 won't need some sort of Day 1 update as well, of course, but my sympathy for Microsoft is basically spent at this point. They made terrible consumer product choices, and now they're having to dig their way out. They've done an admirable job of not being completely evil lately though.smithy_2045 said:
Xbox One - does nothing without day 0 patch.theApoc said:
PS4 - does play games without day 0 patch.
So that means, Xbox One is more value at launch?
Once connected to the internet, you get acess to services on XBL that you pay for. You get acess to same services (except online multiplayer) for free on PS4.
There can be fault in design by intention. Example - DRM.theApoc said:
My phone is intended t work with cellular network, without internet. It can still work without cellular network. in fact, it has a special mdoe to disconnect from it by default.
Phones dont need updates to work. Updates may make them work better, but they can work without them - example: my phone that works for 4 years without updates. Tvs do not require other devices. Plug in an antena and youll be watching TV. unless you consider a piece of metal "other devices". It also needs no internet connection. Fridges require no internet. Cars require no internet. Computers require no internet, every other device requires no internet to function and do its main purpose... except Xbox One.theApoc said:
What problems? the 0.4% failure rate (in comparison Xbox 360 was believed to be over 40%)? The poor reviews of games to launch (which is not PS4s fault)? what other problems are you seeing there, care to share your wisdom?theApoc said:
Yes, it is good that they are willing and albe to update. It is not good when said update is a requirement to function. Update should always be an Option, not a Requirement.
Heh, kind of a weird day. Usually, you and I have some kinda' dispute in something, but now I find you slamming some other guy who's trying to argue pro X-Bone when both the Sony and Microsoft fans are against it. Dark days indeed...Strazdas said:
OT: So! Microsoft! I hear you're done with the gaming business. Couldn't you have just made sort of an announcement instead of sinking anything more into this money pit of a console? You 180'd your 180! Predictably! Or to sum it up in one word:
[HEADING=1]X-BONE'D![/HEADING]
Good fight, good night...
This is so. However, in this case, it's not a bad thing. I don't even buy X-Box stuff and I think this is tremendously wrong...pretty much for the sake of people who DO. Alot of my college friends use X-Box, as does my brother-in-law. They wouldn't wanna be shafted either, so the hell with this system.Strazdas said:
Well, yeah. Because you see, had they never attempted that asinine DRM scheme in the first place, this would not have been necessary. And many people who don't have internet won't be able to get the patch.Revolutionary said:
any one besides me remember when 'day-1' meant you could plug it in and just play the game with out all this bullshit? technological improvements my ass.
The difference is at least the PS4 can play games without the update, and you can request a disc via customer service in case you have no plans to connect to the internet. Although the basic premise is the same.Riff Moonraker said:
After all this you are just PS4 fanboying? Seriously? You CANNOT play the full games on a PS4 without connecting. At least not all of them. You will not be able to buy ANY game for the PS4 and play it completely without an internet connection. This is as much the doing of the publishers as it is Sony. Your statement about "working out of the box" is disingenuous and based on the assumption that PS4 was intended to be used without an internet connection. Sadly, like XBOX One, it wasn't. So while it may "work", it does very little at launch, just like XBOX. Your complaining about nothing relevant to this generation of console. 7 years ago, yes you would have had a point, now, not so much.Strazdas said:
I am going to sum up your misconceptions about this topic with that statement. A TV in and of itself CANNOT do much of anything without an external source. I hate to tell you but an antenna is pretty much equivalent to a network router in this instance. It facilitates the TV's connection to a signal, without which it is a brick.
NEITHER console will work 100% without an update. Period. That is a fact. If you are suggesting that being able to operate something at 25% without an internet connection is better than simply connecting and operating at 100%, yeah, that is just silly. Look, enjoy your barely functional PS4 and your non networked computers. Let me know how that phone works when there is no cell signal, and tell me how great your shows look with a TV connected to nothing...
Me, PS4 fanboy? Please stop associating me with peasants good sir!theApoc said:
Now that we got that out of the way....
Either you prove that PS4 cannot play games without an update or you stop saying that. Just because you repeat it, it does not become true.
Playing single player games are intended to be played without internet connection. If it is not - the game is broken by design.
Yes, Xbox is broken by design, which is why it recieves so much hate. PS4 however CAN play games without internet, which makes the problem less relevant.
Your misconception is that you consider any network equivalent of Internet connection. IT IS NOT. cellular network nor radio waves are nowhere close to internet connection. Besides, TV wont demand you to have antenna. you can do anything you want with it even if you dont have it. Like, for example, play console games without internet.
Oh wait, you cant anymore.
No, i am suggesting that being able to operate something at 25% without internet connection is better than being able to operate something at 0% without internet connection just because the makers decided to put arbitrry limitations (broken by design).
Yes, it will do more with internet, the problem is, Xbox wont do anything without internet.
"simply connecting" is a fallacy to begin with. there is nothing simple about connecting to internet, and jsut because most service prividers hide it all does not mean its not there.
And yes, my phone works without cellular connection and it has worked for years without internet connection. My TV hasnt had a cable in it for 5 years till i finally plugged it in this year. and it worked as good as ever. and i watched TV shows on it. Its just that imput was different - you know, the one that i prefer, not the one the manufacturer forced me into.
Edit: actually, i found proof you were wrong about PS4
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2427050,00.asp
Well, looks like someone doesn't have their finger on the hub of how fanbases react. Point of order, abbreviated end of civilization: Fans react poorly when their favorite thing doesn't continue well or at all because the company making the thing screws it up. D'you know what that is? That's getting shafted. Everyone else gets a new generation of stuff that might be worth buying, but if yours doesn't, then your gaming hobby has a problem. X-Box fans are not, buy in large, feeling very happy right now because of this. They're shafted because their new system is a glorified doorstop.theApoc said:
I never said it couldn't play games. I said the games and the PS4 would not be 100% functional without it. I also said that working and being fully functional are two different things. My point being, why would you pay for something you cannot get 100% out of. So you don't care about online play, media, updates, dlc, etc. $400 is pretty steep for JUST a game console.Strazdas said:
For the last time, the XBOX One is not a game console. They have said it, the marketing has said it, the features say it. Games are not its primary function, the device needs an update to allow it to be taken offline as this was not its intended usage.
I did not say the Internet was equivalent to a network. I said a network is required for pretty much every interconnected device to work. You cannot, at all, make a phone call, without a network. If your phone had radio capability it could be used as a walkie talkie, beyond that it would be useless. your TV, cannot, do anything, without being connected to Something else. Period.
The XBOX was designed to be online. They decided to not do this due to public stupidity and complaints, it needs to be patched to accommodate. Nothing crazy or unsavory about it. They are changing its intended usage, foolishly IMO but they are changing it none the less.
No it isn't. It needs an update, just like every other system that will be released over the next X amount of years, just like every other last gen System did. These are software based machines, companies update the software all the time, that is actually good for the consumer.FalloutJack said:
In 10 minutes after opening the thing it will do everything it was intended to do. The only way any of you would have a leg to stand on in terms of complaints is if there wasn't a patch, and MS was telling everyone "better luck next time"
Okay, young man, I'm going to have to return your paper with a D-minus. You haven't done the research, your format doesn't conform to the MLA standard, and you have no bibliography. And if I weren't such a decent professor, I'd fail you from the course for plagiarism, because you're clearly just towing the company line, not giving us a different nuance to the class.theApoc said:
Let me explainitude something, alternate-form-of-ragnarok. You're patently glossing over the people who are already dissatisfied with the news they here, and completely not caring about those who would be misinformed or, in fact, uninformed. Truth is, you're probably helping Microsoft get away with bad shit that nobody should have to endure by trying to argue in favor of them. Fortunately, this is a room full of skeptics.
Your argument is that everything is sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows. Are you AWARE of how many people will have a helluva time getting their fragging update, that number being among those who even have the capability to? Bandwidth issues, account issues, net browser issues, hardware issues, server issues... Does Diablo III mean nothing to you? I've got so many legs to stand on here that I'm a frigging centipede.
Bottom line, you're pulling an Orth, man. You're showing them an unreasonable situation and saying 'Deal with it'. Well, tough. We don't have to, and I hope the bottom falls out of Microsoft's interest in consoles for it. The writing on the wall is that this X-Bone steak is not fit for consumption, that it even emits a nasty smell.
By all means, please go on about how all the things that lots of people are hating are perfectly acceptable. Tell us about the 'features', which clearly show that this console is still going to be exactly the bad thing we heard it was when it was originally announced, because those guys just don't know what the hell they're doing.
I'm sure someone will buy into it, but it won't be...
The army (or similar military branch),
People with poor or net connections,
All the people interested in the PS4,
Most anyone in Japan,
and probably the bulk of this board.
Sigh. I absolutely love when someone posts a long drawn out reply completely ignoring the point.FalloutJack said:
First of all, XBL has doubled in the past 3 years to nearly 60% of the people using a 360. The link to that stat along with an article detailing why MS AND Sony went in this direction for next gen is somewhere in this post. XBL is an ONLINE service, and 60% of the people using an XBOX have accounts. That means, more people are using it ONLINE than off.
Still with me?
XBOX 360 will be supported for many years to come, also stated by MS. So in essence, NOTHING is being lost for the existing customers, nothing. Will there be next gen exclusives? Of course. But the XBOX One, was ALWAYS presented as a media device and was intended to function with an internet connection. Being upset about it needing internet connectivity, or more specifically a patch to remove it's internet connectivity requirement, which was added AFTER the fact to appease the Luddites who are missing the point of this device entirely, is also NOT a bad thing.
There is no one forcing people to get a new console, most games will be released for both and XBL will continue to function on both platforms.
There is nothing to "deal with" here. You can be an early adopter and get the patch, or you can wait for the next round of devices which I am betting, will be up to date, making your argument and everyone else's complaints moot.
It's a patch. At most(and I am adding a lot of projected time here) an hour of someones time and they are good to go. Does that fact negate the quality of the device in the long run, um nope. Being upset at this is the equivalent of buying an HDTV and being upset that it won't be HD using standard video cables. You guys are seriously complaining about a non issue for ANYONE who knows anything about the device.
I'm sorry, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-I'm-just-fine, but the point has clearly been missed by you AND Microsoft. Take note of how the crowd feels, gauge what they want, and THEN decide on a course of action. This thread denies your line of thinking, and not without good reason, but you choose to behave like we're the odd ones. Well, I can't defend you from the consortium beating you into the ground with the logic you decide to be unfounded. You will not be convinced, so I believe that's enough said. However, by that token, you can now do us the similar service and quit trying to convince us of something we do not believe, merely because we won't see it your way.theApoc said: