I think my best friend, who is a HUGE fan of the older Fallout games, summed it up best. The gameplay is better in Fallout 3, but the story is worse than the previous games.
Zero Punctuation: Fallout 3
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Get it from GamersGate, which is providing a DRM-free version for the Euro market through its partnership with 2K Games (Bethesda's publisher). The North American retail box version contains SecuROM, but it's only being used to verify if the disc is in the drive, none of that install-limit stuff. Still, I'd rather have GamersGate's offering than my local Best Buy's.Snotnarok said:
"A realistic setting, in which you really feel like the world was nuked 200 years ago, and the remaining survivors are a reflection of that; most of them have given up hope of anything ever being nice again, others have completly lost their minds, and the remainder are either strugling to survive, or have turned to slaving or being a raider.
just want to kill the enemy im fighting, and move onto the next one."
i felt very differently about the setting. it felt more like the world was nuked at most 20 years ago. the characters are all pretty hopeless or crazy. which would be fitting with a recent apocalypse. however 200 years after the nukes... it wouldnt feel like the world ended to anyone. when you look at a computer do think "whoa... what is that?! i dont get it at all" depending on your age... the answer is no. most people today who are under 50 are comfortable with computers and TVs and all sorts of technology. because its nothing new to us. if we lived through a nuclear war im sure we would be pretty hopeless and confused. but guess what. 50 years after the war... anyone not old enough to remember what it was like before the war... wouldnt think twice. it would all be completely normal to them.
and with 200 years to build up a decent society and some civilization... im pretty sure they would be alot better off than shown in fallout 3. as for the hordes of cannibalistic raiders... i must admit i havent really researched cannibalism.. but my understanding is its not a feasible option for survival. youd get horribly sick and die, if you tried to survive as such.
anyways. i know ive put in more thought than could be considered fair... but the originals caused me to have very high standards in the setting. i can forgive pop culture references in the games when they are hilarious. that kinda thing was fun in the originals. but i just feel the setting was a big detractor in fallout 3. though it did look pretty nice, except if youd been running around similair themed areas for hours.
just want to kill the enemy im fighting, and move onto the next one."
i felt very differently about the setting. it felt more like the world was nuked at most 20 years ago. the characters are all pretty hopeless or crazy. which would be fitting with a recent apocalypse. however 200 years after the nukes... it wouldnt feel like the world ended to anyone. when you look at a computer do think "whoa... what is that?! i dont get it at all" depending on your age... the answer is no. most people today who are under 50 are comfortable with computers and TVs and all sorts of technology. because its nothing new to us. if we lived through a nuclear war im sure we would be pretty hopeless and confused. but guess what. 50 years after the war... anyone not old enough to remember what it was like before the war... wouldnt think twice. it would all be completely normal to them.
and with 200 years to build up a decent society and some civilization... im pretty sure they would be alot better off than shown in fallout 3. as for the hordes of cannibalistic raiders... i must admit i havent really researched cannibalism.. but my understanding is its not a feasible option for survival. youd get horribly sick and die, if you tried to survive as such.
anyways. i know ive put in more thought than could be considered fair... but the originals caused me to have very high standards in the setting. i can forgive pop culture references in the games when they are hilarious. that kinda thing was fun in the originals. but i just feel the setting was a big detractor in fallout 3. though it did look pretty nice, except if youd been running around similair themed areas for hours.
Despite being rushed,buggy and underdeveloped(balance,item descriptions,dialog,ending,enemy variety,chems are hella weak and is under utilized,vats is under utilized, ect,ect ) its got enough content to make up for it but after the first 30 hours it gets boring as crap...
Would have been nice if they polished it up and balanced it... alot more....
Oh well with FOMM its fun to edit with "FOCK" it will rock!!
Also the devs obsession with cannibalism gets annoying after awhile...head hunters and super mutants I can agree on but to make all raiders cannibals by deault...uhg...
Would have been nice if they polished it up and balanced it... alot more....
Oh well with FOMM its fun to edit with "FOCK" it will rock!!
Also the devs obsession with cannibalism gets annoying after awhile...head hunters and super mutants I can agree on but to make all raiders cannibals by deault...uhg...
I gotta say I'm loving Fallout 3, It's been the best single player game play experience I've had in a LONG time. However I just read that they are planning 3 small download-able content packs in a few months. All for a cost... this annoys me to no end.
I payed $50 bucks for this game and while i feel I've gotten my money's worth, some free extras would just be the icing on the cake! It would keep my attention on Fallout 3 and give the Developers time to make Fallout 4.
DLC should be used to keep people interested in your product until you can deliver a new full game or even save the little things bundle them together add other small things, like most character creation options, or clothes and release a Large Expansion pack, not to try and soak every dime out of your consumers, and THEN hit them with another $50 game.
Ugh sorry for the Rant, just blowin off some steam, while waiting for the new ZP review.
I payed $50 bucks for this game and while i feel I've gotten my money's worth, some free extras would just be the icing on the cake! It would keep my attention on Fallout 3 and give the Developers time to make Fallout 4.
DLC should be used to keep people interested in your product until you can deliver a new full game or even save the little things bundle them together add other small things, like most character creation options, or clothes and release a Large Expansion pack, not to try and soak every dime out of your consumers, and THEN hit them with another $50 game.
Ugh sorry for the Rant, just blowin off some steam, while waiting for the new ZP review.
Yeah, except that I'm not a member of the No Mutant Allowed forums or the "Fallout Community". It merely happens to be the case that, after playing Fallout 1 & 2 and "ObliGun", I cannot see the latter title embodying anything of the titles it claims to be a sequel of. Bethesda bought a franchise and used it as a skin for their latest Elder Scrolls, not a lot more can be said.lockgar said:
The graphics are great on PC with some tweaking, so is Oblivion. Well done, that point. The music however, often made me wonder when I was going to reach Mordor rather than feel part of a postapocalyptic environment. Kills the atmosphere quite a lot, so it's nice someone put out a mod which can overwrite London Philharmonic with Fallout 1&2 tracks. Still, I had hoped that Bethesda would at least have kept the music at the same level. Their house, their rules 'ey. The gameplay is less complex than Fallout's as it centers purely on skill points, nothing else. All the strategy is laid out on a single level. Maybe mods will rectify this, I don't know, but playing vanilla Gunsblivion is not really challenging.
And let's not get started about FPS/TPS perspective, twitch gaming polluting a title which once was essentially a GURPS-based RPG and all that.
By its own merit it's an okay game (but nothing groundbreaking or deep about it as far as I can see) and as PablosDog mentions, not everyone in the "Fallout Community" is glittering its hatred over it. We're all individuals, with a subjective opinion. You. Me. Even the members of the "Fallout Community".
Either way, I think there would have been less of the "verbal opposition" you observe if only Bethesda hadn't glued a "3" to that Fallout. "Fallout Gaiden" would have been much more appropriate for a title, which throws out basically all the core points of the game and replaces them with other ones.
I've probably put in over 100 hours into fallout 3 and yeah the ending does suck, but then again so does everything else in life. not every story has a happy ending and a real hero rarely lives long enough to be called one. that's why the medal of honor is usually awarded posthumously. i still like the game and i think it turned out pretty good, just like Yahtzee said.
I was toying with the notion of buying this game and now that it's got an 'okay' from Yahtzee, it's bound to be prett damn good because we know that in Yahtzeeworld, a game only gets an awesome if it's bleeds branston pickle...and that'll never happen.
If I remember correctly, Portal got an "awesome" from Yahtzee, or something similar. Speaking of branston pickle though... I think I know what lunch will be now. Anyway, now that the SDK release has been formally announced, I might actually get the game.I Am The Party said:
I finished this game last night after doing practically everything before progressing the main story. So, I do enjoy the game quite a lot, I just feel it suffers from the same fate as Fable 2, ending wise.
It was very disappointing.
The Liberty Prime thing even reminded me of the Great Shard battle, as in, way too over the top for it's own good. Then there's once again no reason to really be a walking arsenal, like in Fable 2, there is no big ending battle which requires you to be death with legs.
I know ending battles are cliche, but going in sfter saving so much up, I was really hoping for... something. All I got was the seldom seen 'antagonist' who died with one shot in VATS to the head.
Then I have to walk drooling and cross-eyed into a chamber of death when there's someone right beside us who is immune to radiation. (Fawkes)
UGH
Still, fun game, I'm playing over as a bad character now and getting plenty of entertainment value from this game. It is very good, infrequent crashes and all.
I just really wish it wasn't depressingly anticlimatic.
It was very disappointing.
The Liberty Prime thing even reminded me of the Great Shard battle, as in, way too over the top for it's own good. Then there's once again no reason to really be a walking arsenal, like in Fable 2, there is no big ending battle which requires you to be death with legs.
I know ending battles are cliche, but going in sfter saving so much up, I was really hoping for... something. All I got was the seldom seen 'antagonist' who died with one shot in VATS to the head.
Then I have to walk drooling and cross-eyed into a chamber of death when there's someone right beside us who is immune to radiation. (Fawkes)
UGH
Still, fun game, I'm playing over as a bad character now and getting plenty of entertainment value from this game. It is very good, infrequent crashes and all.
I just really wish it wasn't depressingly anticlimatic.
fallout 3 is pretty good...oh who am i kidding! its awesome. ive put in so muh time and the world is so huge. this is 3dog OUT!!!
I can seriously not figure Yahtzee didn't find the difficulty settings for this game. If he said it was too easy he obviously never tried it on Very Hard. You sometimes have to face 3 super mutant brutes at once while you die in 2-3 seconds. And any mob you face out in the wild probably will rip you apart before you have time to find your oddly placed V.A.T.S button (V on PC).
After finishing it for the 3rd time (Good, Neutral and Evil, along with all the blowingyupness/stabbyness that they entailed), I kinda agree with the Y-man.
And with my sentiments on the story, i found most of it to be alright (even though it isn't that well paced with the leveling up in the game world) but....whoever decided upon that ending deserves to be baked into a giant taco and shot into the sun.
Couldn't you have just jammed the airlocks open with large bits of junk, then poked the buttons with a broomstick? Forcing the player/Lyons in there while there's a perfectly good SuperMutie standing next to you (who comes up with one of the lamest constricting excuses I've ever seen in a game) is just mind-bogglingly bleh. Then bam, game over. *sigh*
Looking forward to the GECK editor though, I can see some modders changing the whole game (just like Oblivion) for the better with that, especially as they've done some rather impressive things without it already.
And with my sentiments on the story, i found most of it to be alright (even though it isn't that well paced with the leveling up in the game world) but....whoever decided upon that ending deserves to be baked into a giant taco and shot into the sun.
Couldn't you have just jammed the airlocks open with large bits of junk, then poked the buttons with a broomstick? Forcing the player/Lyons in there while there's a perfectly good SuperMutie standing next to you (who comes up with one of the lamest constricting excuses I've ever seen in a game) is just mind-bogglingly bleh. Then bam, game over. *sigh*
Looking forward to the GECK editor though, I can see some modders changing the whole game (just like Oblivion) for the better with that, especially as they've done some rather impressive things without it already.
Man, this is a while later a good while later, but anyway, as you said, differences in opinion. I thought the music was great, especially when you turn on the GNR, giving you that delicious sense of irony.VMerken said:
The oblivion comparison, although somewhat valid, gets silly, how would everyone had liked the dialog and character interactions? There not many ways except how games like Oblivion, mass effect, and Kotor allow you to interact with the npcs. Which essentially come down to the same way. Not to mention the game was made in the same engine, there are bound to be similarities.....
This "twitch pollution" is again, a matter of preference, but that's why there is V.A.T.S.
God, , every time a game comes out, someone always, does not matter what it is always says this, and they don't even back it up.kimboslice said: