The first couple times I saw Ctl Alt Del 'comics' I didnt even think it was supposed to be funny.
Zero Punctuation: Webcomics
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I'm not going to lie, CAD is far from the funniest webcomic on the internet. In fact, it's soooo far that- well- you get the idea. However, I still like it. I believe I heard somewhere that Tim Buckley had been in a relationship in which his partner had a miscarriage and that it was based on that. I can understand bringing a part of your life into a story like that.
Every which way you slice it, I think both Yahtzee and Tim handled this poorly. If he was in fact in a relationship with a miscarriage, then I think the reference in this week's ZP was extremely distasteful of Yahtzee. While I'd like to say I'd expect better from him, I can't- despite the fact that I think he's the best game reviewer and first GOOD game reviewer in the history of the internet. Really though, this is the only ZP I've remotely disliked, and it's not that big of a deal.
Tim could have responded better to that thread rather than covering his ass with that vauge comment and locked it.
Every which way you slice it, I think both Yahtzee and Tim handled this poorly. If he was in fact in a relationship with a miscarriage, then I think the reference in this week's ZP was extremely distasteful of Yahtzee. While I'd like to say I'd expect better from him, I can't- despite the fact that I think he's the best game reviewer and first GOOD game reviewer in the history of the internet. Really though, this is the only ZP I've remotely disliked, and it's not that big of a deal.
Tim could have responded better to that thread rather than covering his ass with that vauge comment and locked it.
Hey guys, long time viewer but first time poster. I just want to say that this is the first time I have seen an episode of zero-punctuation and not laughed once. Normally Yahtzee has me in tears of laughter but frankly this seemed very personally insulting towards Tim Buckley and his comic and wasn't the sort of thing I have come to expect from a talented and imaginative reviewer like Yahtzee. You can take the piss out of games all you like, you can taker the piss out of game developers and designers and gamers and whatever. But Tim Buckley has been making his comic for 6 years now and the story about the miscarriage did come from personal experience of his. Anyone who is a frequent visitor to the CAD frontpage will definatley have seen the long message that he left on the day that he posted the miscarriage story. He said, and I quote:
''I have had this story set out for a long time now. When I introduced Lilah as a character I knew that she and Ethan would have a baby and that it would miscarry...This story was based on my own experience with my ex-girlfriend. Like Ethan and Lilah, our child was unplanned and as we were stil teenagers we didn't know what we were going to do... When my girlfriend miscarried I felt a mixture of sadness and relief...because I knew that we weren't ready for a baby. I know that it meant that I had a very different experience than if she and I had been trying for a baby, but nontheless led me to want to write about it...etc''
Sorry, but I get slightly angry when people who don't know the facts start stating lies instead. It's funny how so far I am the only person I have seen to say anything about this, which means that you are all a bunch of hippocrites for saying that people who like CAD are blind when none of you can see when Yahtzee gets it wrong. And believe me, even though I do love Zero Punctuation, I have to say that he is wrong on alot of things that no-one ever calls him on.
Funny that
''I have had this story set out for a long time now. When I introduced Lilah as a character I knew that she and Ethan would have a baby and that it would miscarry...This story was based on my own experience with my ex-girlfriend. Like Ethan and Lilah, our child was unplanned and as we were stil teenagers we didn't know what we were going to do... When my girlfriend miscarried I felt a mixture of sadness and relief...because I knew that we weren't ready for a baby. I know that it meant that I had a very different experience than if she and I had been trying for a baby, but nontheless led me to want to write about it...etc''
Sorry, but I get slightly angry when people who don't know the facts start stating lies instead. It's funny how so far I am the only person I have seen to say anything about this, which means that you are all a bunch of hippocrites for saying that people who like CAD are blind when none of you can see when Yahtzee gets it wrong. And believe me, even though I do love Zero Punctuation, I have to say that he is wrong on alot of things that no-one ever calls him on.
Funny that
The Irony of this is that earlier this week I was reading a webcomic* that mentioned spore. And I though 'hun, I wonder if Yathzee i going to review spore this week?'...
*http://www.applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=458
*http://www.applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=458
It was the mass effect review, actually. Actually, comparing Ctrl Alt Del with Perry Bible Fellowship (a fantastic webcomic that everyone should read) it's very easy to see what Buckley's faults are as a comedian and an artist.mrbearbear83 said:
*Too many god-damn words
*Inexpressive and one-dimensional characters
*Too many god-damn words
*A general in-ability to draw facial expressions or emotion (this was attempted in the miscarriage story arc, but never really pulled off particularly well)
*Oh, and he uses too many words
I've read a fair number of CAD comics, and have never really laughed once
Just looked over those miscarriage comics.
Honestly, what the fuck was he thinking? Personal experience or not, is anyone who likes those comics going there to see stories of miscarriage?
I can only give a huge WTF to it.
Honestly, what the fuck was he thinking? Personal experience or not, is anyone who likes those comics going there to see stories of miscarriage?
I can only give a huge WTF to it.
So tempted to call out 381st!
Never mind, I'm over it now. I thought you were going to do retro-reviews when nothing was coming out though Yahtzee? What next...Yahtzee reviews Starbucks?
Never mind, I'm over it now. I thought you were going to do retro-reviews when nothing was coming out though Yahtzee? What next...Yahtzee reviews Starbucks?
The especially funny thing is that Penny Arcade did a much funnier [http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/6/23/] Alone in the Dark joke only a week or so before that.RaiDK said:
Was the Mega Man sprites comment supposed to be aimed at Bob And George (which I thought was a pretty good comic) or just a reference to how many bad sprite comics there are?
Yes, because this ISN'T BLATANT HYPOCRISY. Yahtzee's not allowed to take the piss out of an (rather poor and over-rated, in my opinion) artist, but allowed to take the piss out of other artists? Because why, they made something bad? Maybe you should read the past 11 pages and see how a lot of people consider Buckley's work bad, bandwagon jumping or not. Surely then, he's as much fair game as the rest?Donkeyboy said:
Don't get me wrong. The video itself just seems like a vitriolic attack, for the main reason Yahtzee doesn't like the victim or his work. I have no argument with you there. However, I found it funny, while not up to his usual standards, and I also think if you take every word he says dead seriously, you really need your head examined.
*sigh* as much as I hate CAD, I am glad that someone mentioned this little tidbit... it's made me really uncomfortable seeing all the people jumping down his throat for this. How well he handled it is open to debate, but it was still rather poignant.Donkeyboy said:
That said, it would have been made so much better if his characters were capable of expressing emotions, but Buckley refuses how to learn to draw any discernible facial expressions or any sense of perspective. The story could have been touching, but the effect was completely ruined by the blank, slack-jawed stare that is present on every one of his characters 24/7. I find CAD to be completely unreadable because of it. Well, that and this [http://refried.timtekindustries.com/index.php?comicID=58].
If you're going to deal with something dramatic, learn how to at least convey feelings.
To be honest, I just hope this doesn't become a regular back and forth thing between Ben and Tim. This is something we as both gamers and comedy seekers do NOT need. It's fun to see a bashing now and then, so long as it doesn't turn into an all out flame war.
Exactly why is it that anyone is surprised at this video? If anyone ventured over to FullyRamblomatic they would see that Yahtzee has a standing hatred of CAD and the fact that he is paid to hate things made this video inevitable. Those who feel that he was unfairly targeting CAD must realize that Yhatzee hates specific games most of the time and I fail to see how hating a specific webcomic is any different. We're all entitled to our opinions no matter how offensive some may perceive them. Don't get angry at him for his hate because it was based on his perception of the comic, presant before he was a internet celebrity. In Tim's defense some of his comics are actually quite funny but a number of them can be lackluster or tedious but as humor is subjective I find it difficult to believe that personal opinions can be considered invalid.
It doesn't matter where the material came from, why Tim put it there, or what his intent was. The mere fact that ANYONE mindlessly shouts CAD sucks or Yhatzee sucks without explanation is a testimate to your own ignorance and shallow mindset. Take it at face value, you like it or you don't, but quit bitching about fairness since neither Tim nor Yhatzee care what any of you have to say.
Finally... To say that anyone is wrong on matters of opinion is an impossibility because there is no right or wrong is these matters. If you do not agree with another's opinion say so, but saying they're wrong lacks meaning or purpose.
It doesn't matter where the material came from, why Tim put it there, or what his intent was. The mere fact that ANYONE mindlessly shouts CAD sucks or Yhatzee sucks without explanation is a testimate to your own ignorance and shallow mindset. Take it at face value, you like it or you don't, but quit bitching about fairness since neither Tim nor Yhatzee care what any of you have to say.
Finally... To say that anyone is wrong on matters of opinion is an impossibility because there is no right or wrong is these matters. If you do not agree with another's opinion say so, but saying they're wrong lacks meaning or purpose.
I normally don't feel compelled to post on videos/blogs/posts but this. This I could not avoid.Nadsat said:
I did register to highlight many other of his flaws in his car wreak of a webcomic but appears someone beat me to the mark.
So I'll move on to my other point.
Is he a fucking idiot? Miscarriage?
I've not had the silver spoon placed firmly up my arse like many others no doubt posting here. We've all had our fair few trials and tribulations. But what you don't do, even if you are a bat shit crazy socialite, is drag up a dead and buried topic (sorry - not intended) for page hits.
As you can safely assume, I side very much with Yahtzee. Though admittedly I did laugh at this video. I'm aware he was drawing attention to other bottom-of-the-barrel comics out there (VGcats being one that sticks to the front of my mind). It's hard not to feel that Tim stole the day again. I do feel tragically sorry for Tim if this is the kind of drivel he has to draw to get attention.
Congratulations. You're a grade A fruitloop.
BTW, Keep up the good work Yahtzee you're an inspiration!
What's sad about this review is that it's like a cut and paste template: it works for most webcomics out there.
Dang, man, DANG. I have to admit that your inherent bitterness is basically what gives you your charm (the same reason that people enjoy characters in a certain medium because they're adorably blunt and cynical) but it all kind of flies out of the window when you start to call other people on it. Sure, saying that you're "aware of the hypocrisy" is a disclaimer towards something like that, but you can hardly make fun of such a trait when it's basically WHO YOU ARE. You certainly can't point out that one way to success is by being a douche in such a condescending tone that it could burn the lips off your face while simultaneously attacking gamers, game developers, Americans, the Japanese, Australia, children, and half a million other demographics in your videos and then stand up and expect applause. Not from anyone with a brain in their skull, anyway.
Criticism aside, you did a good job with picking out a lot of stuff that's really wrong with the webcomics business - probably most importantly the "lifting up of the autobiographical and self-representational protagonist as a charming God". It gets fucking irritating.
Criticism aside, you did a good job with picking out a lot of stuff that's really wrong with the webcomics business - probably most importantly the "lifting up of the autobiographical and self-representational protagonist as a charming God". It gets fucking irritating.
As to my thoughts on the video: I thought this was fairly amusing but there's one big problem with this video: It's really all about Ctrl+Alt+Del, and as a result really comes out as a Take That [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeThat]. If it were about the fallacies of gaming comics in general, with a small bit of an emphasis on Ctrl+Alt+Del, it would be much better.
For example, Strong Bad's take on webcomics [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail181.html] was flat-out hilarious (well, everything Strong Bad does is flat-out hilarious, I guess). However, note that at no point was any webcomic in particular singled out; when he makes fun of gaming comics, he makes fun of GAMING COMICS, not any specific comic.
For example, Strong Bad's take on webcomics [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail181.html] was flat-out hilarious (well, everything Strong Bad does is flat-out hilarious, I guess). However, note that at no point was any webcomic in particular singled out; when he makes fun of gaming comics, he makes fun of GAMING COMICS, not any specific comic.
Most of all, I look forward to seeing what Yahtzee says about this on Fully Ramblomatic, if anything.