He intended to use it against someone if they attacked him first (we know he didn't intend to be the instigator, because he actively tried to avoid the fight, both before and after being assaulted). So it was pre-meditated, yes, but it was pre-meditated self-defense.Blablahb said:He made the decision to carry a lethal weapon with the intent of using it against someone. There's your calm planning of the later murder that makes it pre-meditated.
What part?Rottweiler said:I live in Alaska.
Blablahb said:He made the decision to carry a lethal weapon with the intent of using it against someone. There's your calm planning of the later murder that makes it pre-meditated.
It's been established that he tried to get away. My point is that bringing something to defend yourself does not mean you plan to murder someone.Blablahb said:As for taking offense: bite me. I don't subscribe to the ideas of pro-violence, weapon use and legalised murder, period.
I commend your (unintentional) efforts to bring about a far classier future.Dastardly said:One of the best? A sturdy cane.
Screw these people. They raised a sadistic bastard and the guy got what was coming to him. Also, you people who are all "Well 12 times was too much," sicken me. The kid was afraid for his life, it's called panic, and when you panic you don't calculate where your hits are gonna land or how many you did. You hippies would let this kid get beat to death by the bully then say the bully needs counseling, not the public-execution he deserves.AndyFromMonday said:Prosecutors will not be appealing the case, a move that upset Dylan Nunos family and friends.
Since you're a certified security guard, I assume you carry a baton, mace, possibly a taser, or maybe even a gun? Going by your logic of "weapon = pre-med murder" I make that same accusation of you. You are a murderer, your victim just hasn't presented themselves yet. Eventually, someone will attack you, or you will attack them, and you will kill them. In fact, as you are trained in martial arts, you do not require a weapon. Your body should be considered an implement of murder by your logic, as you, yourself, are a weapon.Blablahb said:He made the decision to carry a lethal weapon with the intent of using it against someone. There's your calm planning of the later murder that makes it pre-meditated.Lovely Mixture said:Ignoring the other shakier parts of your post. I take offense to this one, bringing a knife does not instantly equate to pre-meditated murder.
As for taking offense: bite me. I don't subscribe to the ideas of pro-violence, weapon use and legalised murder, period.
Not true, it's something that's taught, not born in. It's something I learned during various training that kicks in during such situations. Kickboxing, krav maga, security guard certification, various situations I was involved in in when I was still a kid and later on professionally.MorganL4 said:Because the number of people on this planet capable of keeping a clear head when they are being assaulted is quite small.
That's exactly why weapon possesion and use must at all times be forbidden. The worst possible combination is people with lethal weapons but without the sense to use them. And like you pointed out correctly: very few people have that sense. Perhaps even none at all have it.
I'm detecting a hint of irony, I highly doubt the guy was serious. If he was, he's an idiot.GrandmaFunk said:wow, did you seriously just write that?joe-h2o said:I have no sympathy for the dead kid. It'll certainly teach him not to do that again, and that there are often unexpected consequences to being a bully.
Little Zangrif? I love that guyDrop_D-Bombshell said:Ok, yeah, pushed to the limit is totally understandable, similar to that Australian kid, but rage making him stab 11 times is still pushing it a little. I agree with you that he shouldn't be prosecuted, but the whole stabbing thing was not needed, once or twice, yeah ok, but not that many stabs, even while enraged.AndyFromMonday said:Knives are usually easier to get a hold of and conceal. When people start harassing you it's hard to control you rage which is why I believe the guy ended up stabbing the bully 11 times. I agree with the judge's ruling by the way, he might have had a choice but honestly, prosecuting a teenager that is clearly mentally disturbed from years of being bullied on the counts of manslaughter is not the right thing to do.Drop_D-Bombshell said:I have mixed emotions on this story.
Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.
Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.
Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.
Is that really how it works in America?News Article said:"legally entitled to meet force with force, even deadly force."