- Mar 10, 2009
Rooster Cogburn said:We heard you, we heard you. Nevertheless, your vision for the future by it's very nature demands conformity and submission to- to whatever organization you propose to run this thing. How can I be free if my obedience is essential, my culture is demolished and replaced, and my morals are crafted to suit the needs of the state? What choice would I ever be able to make? Today I chose to speak out against my government. Does your society allow me this right? Today I chose to listen to The Doors, even though all my friends listen to- some rap guy. Does your society give me this right? By your own account, no, it doesn't. My submission is absolute and my culture is prescribed.leontyrone said:I never said free will or independent thought was wrong, I simply stated that by eliminating separate races by merging and by learning a single language, and following a simple moral code of decency, we could live in a much more peaceful world
You never say that free will or independent thought is wrong, but you do propose ending it in favor of the public order. I'll die first.
No, though I do wish to end quarreling, I wish to end its pointlessness.riplikash said:And there is the crux of it I guess. You hate being human. Hapiness isn't your value, nor advancement, nor thought. Accomlpishment and personal growth. You merely value safety and equity. You would rather be an ant.
Everyone says your solution ends free will, because we have the intelligence to follow thought to its logical conclusion, to read between the lines. For your plan to work, free will must end.
Quarreling is important, because it is the natural result off free will and diversity. You wish to end quarreling, therefor you wish to end free will. You wish to end suffering, therefor you wish to end free will (and the ability to make poor choices). You wish to have everyone work equally, therefor you wish to end free will (to choose how much we want to work. You wish to ensure safety, therefor you wish to end free will.
By wishing to eliminate bad, you eliminate good.
Well this has been fun. Good night troll.
Quarreling is good, it helps to solve problems, but quarreling for the wrong reasons needs to end.
Everyone should have to work an equal share, no one who works less should earn more than another who works more. What does safety have to do with free will? And why shouldn't everyone be safe, if they truly deserve to be?