Analyst Calls The Old Republic a "WoW Clone"
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Sadly, it's all still EA. EA doesn't own just part of Bioware they own the whole damn thing. Unlike Blizzard's deal with Activision Bioware doesn't have autonomy either. They are just another cog in the big EA machine. EA is free to tell them to do whatever in the hell EA pleases and Bioware has fuck all to say about it. Bioware's good name is nothing more than a marketing ploy for EA to use now to get people to shill out money.drisky said:
I got around 3000 hours played in WoW. Now I'm looking for a different gameplay experience, more user oriented, with more consequences for ones actions, if in any way possible putting everyone on the same shard like EVE, options to advance solely with social interactions and crafting, basically something truly different.
I still plan to buy it and play for at least the free month, but if it is only WoW with voiced dialogue and my personal spaceship I just don't see it remaining fun for more than that.
I still plan to buy it and play for at least the free month, but if it is only WoW with voiced dialogue and my personal spaceship I just don't see it remaining fun for more than that.
Not only is Doug Creutz the Vice President of Cowen Group he is also a Senior Reseach Analyst focused on media an entertainment.Dr. wonderful said:
And before you say "I've never hear of them", Cowen group is a New York based investing firm founded in 1918 with ~$347 million annual revenue and branches all over the world, including London, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Munich.
Putting quotation marks around his title doesn't take away his MBA, specialization in media and entertainment, his MS or his AB from Duke University. He knows more about media, entertainment and their market that you can ever hope to know.
This doesn't prove him right about everything he thinks, but give credit where credit is due or else you're just a troll.
Another problem with this game is EA.
EA already ruined Warhammer Online, which was a great game by the way, by splitting up the playerbase by continent.
EA already ruined Warhammer Online, which was a great game by the way, by splitting up the playerbase by continent.
Aren't many MMO's the same? I'm sorry but I bet that WoW stole some ideas from other games out before them, its the same with every genre! CoD and other FPS games, cover-based shooting in 3rd person shooters etc.
Unfortuantly WoW has such a large fanbase and due to this they are likely to defend their game from possible competitors. Personally? I like Star Wars and even enjoyed Galaxies, to an extent.
I'm glad they are mixing it up a bit and making it more like other MMOs so that, hopefully, this one will be more successful.
Oh and it may mean we finally get KOTOR3. Just sayin'.
Unfortuantly WoW has such a large fanbase and due to this they are likely to defend their game from possible competitors. Personally? I like Star Wars and even enjoyed Galaxies, to an extent.
I'm glad they are mixing it up a bit and making it more like other MMOs so that, hopefully, this one will be more successful.
Oh and it may mean we finally get KOTOR3. Just sayin'.
being a massive star wars fanboy would only make him biased in its favour. This way we get a much more honest opinion based in fact not opinion.Woodsey said:
Except the interface. If there's one thing NO ONE EVER wants to rip off, it's the user-friendly interfaces from WoW. Why?Lacsapix said:
I don't think that knowing what Tatooine is and knowing its relevance counts as being a fan boy.Puzzlenaut said:
Not happening with TOR.Leviathan_ said:
There are still plenty of BioWare employees from other studios working there; they don't hire an entirely new work force. Just like Ubisoft haven't with their new studio that's working on Splinter Cell.drisky said:
Looks like I touch a Nerve.fundayz said:
Oh well, still going to buy it, and play it. Also, just because I don't like him, dosen't mean I'm a troll.
I happen to be a okay guy.
Cause it is the most cluttery interface imaginable. Which would explain all the UI add-ons I see on cursed gaming site. Personally I've played the demos and I want to play more of SWTOR end of discussion. If you don't like it, awesome I don't care about your opinion.Cid SilverWing said:
Yes they are and that's the problem. SWTOR is just adding to the pile of unimaginative, cookie-cutter MMO's out there. That's why many people, including myself, have just moved away from the MMO genre in general: nothing truly new has come out.Britisheagle said:
Sure new games have come out, but they all play the same.
Sure, all games copy features from similar games but no genre does it to the ridiculous extent that MMORPG's do. Yes, some FPS are very similar and people DO complain about them; for example, the CoD series has been widely critiqued since MW1 for taking the same content making some tweaks and new maps then selling it as if it was a brand new game.Britisheagle said:
But more than that, even FPS games have more innovation than current MMO's:
- Metroid Prime
- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
- Team Fortress 2
- Left 4 Dead 2
- Counter Strike
- Ghost Recon
All these games are FPS's and all play VERY differently. If anything, bringing up FPS shows how even the most uninnovative of game genre is STILL more innovative than current MMO's.
Just out of curiosity, what do you not find interesting about GW2?Dr. wonderful said:
I ask because GW2, like SWTOR, is aiming to provide a quality RPG story worthy of a single player RPG as well as pushing innovative combat, lack of a trinity, dynamic content, World PvP, experimentation-based crafting AND it doesn't have a subscription free.
I just don't see any reason Not to try out GW2.
Not to nitpick for nitpicking's sake, but you mentioned trinity three times when "trinity-based class system" covers all the rest. Also "direct control over one character" seems like a flimsy addition meant to pad out the list. And saying that the combat doesn't require skill doesn't seem accurate, though you're right in that it isn't an "active" roly-poly sort of deal. Oh and "a level system designed to separate players into tiers of content" seems to be the same bullet point as "leveling-content-zones." I understand the point you're making, just trying to weed out some repetition and whatnot.adamtm said:
Okay, so apparently "clone" means something different when you put a game's name in front of it. I don't get that, but okay. However, the negative connotations of the term are implicit in its typical usage. This analyst-guy isn't using it as a term of endearment or respect for its quality/appeal. He's not saying "it's a WoW clone in that it will succeed greatly and appeal to the same audience." He--and just about everyone else that trots out the term--are using it negatively to say what they really mean to say: dated and familiar.adamtm said:
Ultimately, a large number of MMO gamers will pass on TOR. This is inevitable. Just as a large number of RTS gamers probably passed on Starcraft 2 when they called it a step backwards in RTS design or too traditional (amazing what good scenario design and balance can do for the success of such games). TOR is a traditional themepark MMO with some more modern elements mixed in, set in a different universe with a different story, based on a different aesthetic. Those who like that style of game will enjoy a fully-voiced story that differs in tone and specific events with each playthrough. Those that don't like that and think it's too dated and familiar have some great alternatives in games like GW2 and TERA, assuming high fantasy is still their thing.
I mean even if we agree on what the term "WoW clone" means and we agree that TOR fits that definition, this analyst failed to mention how that means, as you said, "that a game is inherently bad." He clearly thinks it feels old-fashioned, but doesn't elaborate and instead relies on dismissive exaggeration, calling it "a World of Warcraft clone with Star Wars character skins and the BioWare RPG nice/nasty dialogue tree mechanism bolted on for non-player character conversations." The conversation mechanic pervades every area of the game and does away with the old quest-text accept/decline box. The "skins" he's talking about are 17 new worlds full of completely unique content in a completely different IP (and not like Rift vs. WoW different, as those are both high fantasy, mostly low-tech IPs). He's being dismissive to an astonishing degree.
Doesn't make his personal opinion any more relevant. It just means he gets more press and is better at making financial projections (which are curiously absent from this article and the source). We don't know what his experience with MMOs is and there's no reason to take his WoW-clone claim any more seriously than another player. What I mean is that we can throw this blurb in with all the rest and leave it at that. No reason to give him more attention than anyone else who has played it.fundayz said:
Actually it does. Unlike the average player, his livelihood and reputation depend on his ability to analyze and make predictions about upcoming products. Sure, his job focuses more on the financial aspect of media but you still need to understand said media in order to make accurate predictions.rsvp42 said:
The fact that he an experienced entertainment analyst and vice president of a reputable investment group gives more credibility to his statements than the average person who got a hands-on.
We don't know how his experience with MMO's but considering that a certain current MMO is one of, if not the, most profitable entertainment products and that he specializes in media and entertainment, I think it's a safe to assume he knows a thing or two.
